Weinstein Thinks You Are Too Dumb For SNOWPIERCER

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Weinstein Thinks You Are Too Dumb For SNOWPIERCER
Once news broke that The Weinstein Company had acquired international rights to Bong Joon-ho's hotly anticipated Snowpiercer, it was perhaps inevitable that the film wouldn't make it to Western screens unscathed. It has now been revealed that Harvey Weinstein has ordered the revered Korean cineaste to cut a whopping 20 minutes from his film before it will see the light of day in North America, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand or the UK.

The Sci-Fi blockbuster has received overwhelmingly positive reviews from Variety, Screen Daily, The Hollywood Reporter and right here at ScreenAnarchy, and is currently smashing box office records following its release six days ago in its native Korea (to date a record 3.76 million admissions). So why does Weinstein want to cut it?

According to film critic and programmer Tony Rayns "TWC people have told Bong that their aim is to make sure the film 'will be understood by audiences in Iowa ... and Oklahoma.'" Effectively, the notorious Hollywood executive believes the American mid-west is too stupid for Snowpiercer, a movie which essentially chronicles the journey of a few people at the back of a train who stage a revolt and proceed, in a straight line, towards the front.

Rayns continued, "Leaving aside the issue of what Weinstein thinks of its audience, it seems to say the least anomalous that the rest of the English-speaking world has to be dragged down to the presumed level of American mid-west hicks." The film critic attended the July 29th Seoul premiere of the film, and after speaking with Bong, revealed that most of the cuts would come in the form of character detail, effectively turning this rich Sci-Fi thriller into a straightforward action film. Adding further insult to injury, voiceovers will now be added to the opening and closing of the film.

Weinstein (or Harvey Scissorhands as he's known in some quarters) is well known for cutting and dumbing down foreign films for the US market, such as Princess Mononoke (1997) and Shaolin Soccer (2001). Snowpiercer, though 126 minutes long, doesn't have a great deal of flab which could easily be cut out. However, it is a very dark film, which may explain why the demanded cuts are so significant. If they happen where I think they will, much of what makes this film so special will be lost.

According to Rayns, the UK will be protesting TWC's proposed cuts and he hopes that Australia will follow suit. Sadly though, American audiences are likely to be presented with a substantially different version of Bong's bold and ambitious film, and will probably have to wait for an uncut "director's cut" to appear on DVD/Blu-Ray before they can see the real thing.
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Zackary DowneyAugust 5, 2013 11:51 PM


moneenerdAugust 5, 2013 11:53 PM

"Sadly though, American audiences are likely to be presented with a
substantially different version of Bong's bold and ambitious film, and
will probably have to wait for an uncut "director's cut" to appear on
DVD/Blu-Ray before they can see the real thing."
Or you could say fuck those assholes and just download the Korean release.

Less Lee MooreAugust 5, 2013 11:59 PM

What the fuck. I was so looking forward to seeing this IN THE THEATER.

Hubert VigillaAugust 5, 2013 11:59 PM

Awful news.

Life as FictionAugust 6, 2013 12:00 AM

Tragic. My most anticipated release of the year just became my most anticipated retail release of 2014.

Jim CahillAugust 6, 2013 12:00 AM

Just for that motherfukking Scissorhands, I will wait for it for it on the DVD Import. He just lost my $$$ in the theater for his shrewdness. F**ker thinks we are really dumb to appreciate the auteurs from around the world. Who died and made him Pharoah?!?!?!

Juan Andrés ValenciaAugust 6, 2013 12:02 AM

I'll wait for the asian Blu-Ray. This is absolutely ridiculous!

victorvictoryAugust 6, 2013 12:04 AM

Terrible news, time for some activism. We want the full version release in Oz.

marshy00August 6, 2013 12:06 AM

Download it? Hardly the best way to support the filmmakers you love.

Pierce ConranAugust 6, 2013 12:20 AM

Might be a bit of a wait. CJ (the Korean studio) are pretty slow with putting out there hits on physical media as the ancillary market is pretty much dead in the country. DVD/Blu-Ray may be out in about 6 months time.

Roberto Rodriguez MezaAugust 6, 2013 12:22 AM

Im not going to support an industry that thinks I am dumb to understand sofisticated or intelligent concepts in Sci-FI.

I support the filmmakers, not its shitty distributors who think they can do with art as they please.

This is a huge blow to modern cinema. Just think 20 minutes is a lot of story development. I really hope Bong Joon Ho disagrees in this negotiation.

BoogiepopAugust 6, 2013 12:49 AM

I hope the Korean blu-ray / dvd release will come with english subs otherwise it's gonna be a bloody long wait

bobAugust 6, 2013 1:02 AM

ohmygod gee gee.. disappointing

marshy00August 6, 2013 1:10 AM

Not an issue, 95% of the movie is in English.

Chris BackeAugust 6, 2013 1:15 AM

In other words, Iowans and Oklahomans learn how to use torrents to download the real version.

MichaelAugust 6, 2013 2:00 AM

Boo, you whore.

Guess I'm waiting for the South Korean release.

WhyzardAugust 6, 2013 2:04 AM

Point me where to protest. This is straight bullshit.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 2:55 AM

What about the 'freedom of expression' that American government just love to preach the world?!

...August 6, 2013 3:48 AM


Ard VijnAugust 6, 2013 3:50 AM

That is still faster than a theatrical over here...

Patchi UpdatoAugust 6, 2013 4:22 AM

This is disgusting! We have to start some kind of petition!

AridamAugust 6, 2013 4:28 AM

i don't think that would be the case for this film. if anything CJ would be releasing it the fastest in their history at the rate of movie watcher's response in Korea.

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 4:31 AM

That's about not being arrested for how one expresses oneself, and has nothing to do with this situation.

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 4:33 AM

Yeah, it sucks.

But will people stop overreacting? It's just a movie. Your civil liberties are not being breached.

Pierce ConranAugust 6, 2013 4:42 AM

Sadly the opposite is generally the case. The more popular a film, the longer it takes as the major Korean studios wait for the film to play theatrically around the world, presumably in a bid to stymie potential revenue losses from piracy.

Concerning recent examples, THE THIEVES (Showbox), THE BERLIN FILE (CJ) and MIRACLE IN CELL NO. 7 (N.E.W.) took 6 months to be released and MASQUERADE (CJ) was a whopping 8 months. Bong's previous blockbuster THE HOST (Showbox) was also only available after 6 months.

It really depends on how quickly the film is released internationally. Had the film platformed globally in August, as it was originally intended to, the home market release window would have been shorter.

Pierce ConranAugust 6, 2013 4:44 AM

As James says the vast majority is in English anyway but every print being screened in Korea has subtitles, which is quite exceptional. However, I imagine it will not hit the home market in Korea until it has screened theatrically elsewhere around the world.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 5:02 AM

So according to you, if an artwork is cut in half or a third by the overlord before being release to the public, there's still is freedom of expression as long as there's no arrest taking place?! :v

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 5:08 AM

Not according to me. According to the First Amendment.

You're a pretty ignorant American, aren't you?

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 5:12 AM

I'm asking you, not the First Amendment. Do you have a brain to think for yourself? :v

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 5:14 AM

Yes, and when you're talking about "freedom" and "free expression," you're talking about the law and legal procedures, and these rights are covered by the first amendment.

If you don't like my answers, stop asking the same faulty question over and over.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 5:33 AM

You didn't answer my question. The answer is a simple Yes or No, not your long mumble jumble.

marshy00August 6, 2013 5:38 AM

Knock it off, guys. Stay on topic or take this somewhere else.

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 5:57 AM

If you'd like me to explain to you what "free expression" is, email me at hdefined@gmail.com. There's no reason to keep repeating yourself here.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 6:02 AM

I asked you a simple yes/no question, didn't ask you to explain anything. You're dropped on your head or something?

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 6:09 AM

Since in your head, "freedom of expression" means something entirely different from its universally recognized definition, what exactly do you think it means?

hutchAugust 6, 2013 6:16 AM

The same guy who told QT he'd "hate like hell for him to have to cut anything..." [out of Kill Bill]-allowing him to make
2 awful films instead of one. Fuckin' A.

hutchAugust 6, 2013 6:30 AM

6 months used to be the norm before turnaround sped up because of piracy. regardless looks like I'll have to wait another 6 months before I can check it out.

Alan DeelonnAugust 6, 2013 6:53 AM

Only the unhinged love someone they don't know.

Julian LieAugust 6, 2013 7:08 AM

The argument of stupid audiences is made quite often.
For living on the other side of the atlantic, I find it hard to believe that there is actually a large quantity of people who are that stupid.

Can someone tell me if the people are really as stupid as the WTC people portay them.
Or is it a marketing decision, so that people don't get to see quality in theatres

TheAngryInternetAugust 6, 2013 7:22 AM

And this from the people who wouldn't edit a few fuck-bombs in Bully?

Actually they did--as soon as they'd wrung all the possible PR value from the dispute with the MPAA, they turned around and edited it for a PG-13 rating. To call Harvey Weinstein utterly unprincipled isn't sufficient, you'd have to invent a new word to describe him adequately.

mmvmAugust 6, 2013 7:24 AM

Guess I'll be importing the Korean BD

MoviesAugust 6, 2013 7:37 AM

Probably is that what they want. That the film fail.

MoviesAugust 6, 2013 7:38 AM

That's the idea. To make it a failure. Protectionism from Hollywood.

Giles LinnearAugust 6, 2013 7:43 AM

Good news for Harvey, it's been a couple years since anyone's released a movie under the title THE TRAIN.

MoviesAugust 6, 2013 7:43 AM

The rest of the world should start cutting hollywood films. If they cut all the unnecessary stuff, they could trim 60 minutes.

Pierce ConranAugust 6, 2013 7:44 AM

The man may be underestimating the American public but I don't think he shelled out a few million bucks to put out a flop.

The RisingAugust 6, 2013 7:47 AM

Weinstein did not cut Princess Mononoke. He had nothing to do with its release here.

snowpiercer#1fanAugust 6, 2013 7:55 AM

i just saw this in theaters the other day--it's SO FUCKING GOOD and fresh! i can't picture a single disposable scene

Iron SeraphAugust 6, 2013 8:27 AM

This is just... terrible. I honestly don´t know what else to say.

Neil ClingermanAugust 6, 2013 8:37 AM

I live in the Midwest and am a fan of smart film. That comment is so arrogant, it pisses me off the contempt the coastal areas (particularly LA and NYC) have for the rest of the country!

If they'd share a little more and not think of us as bum hicks, maybe we'd be a little smarter ;)

fishcadoAugust 6, 2013 9:30 AM

It's a film with a train, and the passengers who don't like sitting in the back. Let the action commence! Boo.

ソ-サンフンAugust 6, 2013 9:36 AM

isn't there another distributor? 20 minutes cutting is...bull shit. this film's running time is 125 minutes, and it is not too long.

Origami_IsopodAugust 6, 2013 9:38 AM

People can't complain about things unless their civil liberties are being breached?

Origami_IsopodAugust 6, 2013 9:39 AM

The actually stupid people wouldn't go to see this movie anyway, I don't think.

Eastern YooAugust 6, 2013 9:39 AM


OrionAugust 6, 2013 10:05 AM

I think and hope viewers will wait for the Korean release in DVD and Blu-Ray. Korean films do mostly come with good English subtitles in the Korean versions, so I really don't see why anyone who really wants to watch the movie as intended would buy a butchered version. So I do hope people will read about this and know what will be peddled to them will not be the real thing.

hutchAugust 6, 2013 10:08 AM

Prolly not. But there's something to be said for the differences in the way they treat their American and foreign releases. See my other comments. Fucking Bull.

Gustavo H. RazeraAugust 6, 2013 10:09 AM

Nobody is "overreacting". We are just reacting to these insulting news.

You're the one who is trying to be a contrarian.

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 10:09 AM

I'm not a fan of this situation, but it is not a first amendment issue. The problem with your example is that Harvey the "overlord" (TWC) PAID for distribution rights and the contract the two parties agreed to allowed him to do this. The production company probably could have stipulated, as Ghibli did "no cuts", but they might have had to take a reduction in the asking price or maybe TWC would have walked.

Again, I think it sucks. But it's not a breech of rights, it's a business deal that makes many of us unhappy.

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 10:17 AM

He didn't cut it, but Miramax did distribute it. There's that anecdote about Suzuki sending Harvey a katana with a note, "no cuts".

AlexAugust 6, 2013 10:21 AM

this is effin bullshit. I actually want to write an open letter and think we should start a petition. the people who would end up seeing this in the Midwest are certainly not dumb. It's an "indie" and the people that see these "indies" aren't stupid. gahhh im so pissed off right now

Harvey WeinsteinAugust 6, 2013 10:22 AM

you dumb assholes wanna know why im doing this because i can
you bunch of republican slackjaw yokels you couldnt pour piss from a boot if the instructions where on the heel go ahead torrent this shit i dare you bunch of pussies in fact im going cut out another 20 minutes especialy the scenes with the japanese actor song and add lots tits to the marketing yeah and create a new poster with scantly clad vunerable chinese chick on a snowy peak
yeah dont fucking test me ill cut this down 70 minutes
now if you excuse me im gonna do a line line of this skanky hoes tits

GoAugust 6, 2013 10:37 AM

What the f...?

Ruin this masterpiece for the money??

You better send e-mail or something to the Weinstein Company
If you want to enjoi this film perfectly,,,,

DeAugust 6, 2013 11:01 AM

I'm wondering whether if anyone is interested in making a petition against Harvey Weinstein's decision? If you have an experience with petitions, tips would be extremely helpful. Thanks

Julian LieAugust 6, 2013 11:10 AM

Well my point is that it is not about stupidity rather than keeping it on a level. The "stupid" people are used as an excuse to cut a films edge.
And as they don't have the option of remaking it, since the cast seems to be mainly white and it is in english, they have to cripple it somehow.
You don't want a healthy foreign athlete in your stadium... well, they don't want it

TanyaAugust 6, 2013 11:24 AM

This is really insulting and upsetting. I've been waiting for this movie for so long. I want to see it on the big screen with the detail that director, writers, and actors intended. Seriously considering writing a letter to give them a piece of my mind. (I know that's like attacking a Goliath with a tooth pick, but I'll try.)

Neil ClingermanAugust 6, 2013 11:31 AM

I know that, but on the flip side, singling out the Midwest as being the source of stupid people is coastal arrogance at its worst.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 11:32 AM

It is a first amendment issue. What you're saying is just technical issue but at the end, TWC still cut short an expression by law, i.e., a contract. That contract is a breech of rights unless you think paying, or forcing somebody to shut up is not a violation of free speech.

hutchAugust 6, 2013 11:42 AM

No shit. It's what I've been saying all these years. Allow people to gain exposure and you won't have to worry about editing shit anymore because over time the audience will get accustomed to whatever the suits feel like they can't handle. So fucking condescending.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 11:44 AM

You said 'freedom of expression' only means what's said exactly in the US Const. and nothing else and the law must be precise. It can only apply where it's accepted. So why Americans keep bitching about what other countries doing where the US Const. is not the law of the land?!

It's worse if you try to run that way!

hutchAugust 6, 2013 11:45 AM

They probably edited Song Kang-ho out of the whole film. From what I've been told by directors is that they use they EXACT same excuse every time to force the fillmmakers to change ethnic characters into white ones, because they need to concern themselves with what "little Timmy in Oklahoma will be able to understand." As if mid-westerners couldn't grasp anything other than white leads and stories. Wankers.

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 12:03 PM

I hate to be rude, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

If you create a product, such as a book or screenplay and sell the complete rights and ownership, and I decided to change something after that sale, it is not a violation of your 1st amendment. The distribution deal they made with TWC allowed for them to make edits for the markets they're buying the rights for. So unless they used threats or coercion it's not illegal.

Ask a lawyer or post it on a legal advice sub-reddit if you don't believe me.

Art VandelayAugust 6, 2013 12:21 PM

This is just plain disappointing. And editing 20 whopping minutes is time-consuming in of itself, so really, we're waiting longer for a shorter cut of what is already, a critically-acclaimed film. I'm literally typing this message with one hand, and facepalming with the other.

Julian CheslowAugust 6, 2013 12:32 PM

The only person talking about civil liberties being violated is Meo-Meo. Everyone else is just expressing extreme dismay at shitty news

Roberto Rodriguez MezaAugust 6, 2013 12:55 PM

I think we need an editorial written by the editors at this site comenting about this huge blow.
To me personally this is tragic, since its becoming more and more common fo the distributors such as these Weinstein fellows to cut and manipulate for their own purpuses.

goAugust 6, 2013 12:58 PM

not surprised, writers in the US go thru this crap everyday.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 1:05 PM

If you say so, the US has no idea what it's talking about because US Constitution has no power over other countries right? Do Americans consult lawyers when they bitch about what other countries're doing?

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 1:06 PM

Where are you from?

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 1:17 PM

That's irrelevant and a different story right? You have no idea what you're talking about? :v

CHUDAugust 6, 2013 1:23 PM

I've been looking forward to this movie for a year. A year of my life hotly anticipating this, more than any other film, and Harvey fucking Weinstein has to step in with his pot of gold and shit all over everything that is good and pure in this world. I don't know what I'm saying, I'm just disgusted to the core of my being right now.

Ard VijnAugust 6, 2013 1:27 PM

Use that anger! Put this article on Reddit!
Raise the hounds of hell!

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 1:31 PM

If you don't want to have a discussion that's your prerogative, but I didn't give you any troll responses.

Martin WagnerAugust 6, 2013 1:36 PM

I'll be protesting by grabbing the import blu-ray from YesAsia.com. I already did this with Wu Xia (which is not called Dragon in any proper universe).

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 1:40 PM

If you said so, you're the original troll because I just repeat what you told me before back to you. Ain't being a hypocrite a bitch? :v

And you're a troll when you ask a totally irrelevant question.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 1:45 PM

If you don't want to have a discussion that's your prerogative, but why ask for my location? You're a creepy troll! :v

DoobieDaveAugust 6, 2013 1:47 PM

If this movie is already out of the red on its Korean box office alone, why not just tell Harvey and Co. to fuck off? Release it in the US on their own in a very limited release. The ironic part is he wants to appeal to middle America, but they aren't going to go see this movie anyway. What redneck is going to see a movie by a guy named Bong Joon Ho? Miyazaki told American studios to fuck off if they were going continue to cut his movies up, and his movies do just fine over here.

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 1:53 PM

It's relevant because I'm trying to understand your particular axe to grind, and what kind of expectation I should have for you in respect to US civics/law. If you're from the States it's different than if you're European or from say PRC. If you're afraid to own your nationality, again, your prerogative.

And you didn't repeat what I said back to me, you took a small part. I explained to you why you were wrong.

DoobieDaveAugust 6, 2013 1:57 PM

But...we are fans. Overreacting to people tampering with artists we are fans of is what we do. (especially when we are bored...got any netflix suggestions?)

DoobieDaveAugust 6, 2013 2:03 PM

What are you referring to when you say Americans keep bitching about what other countries are doing? You seem to have something specific in mind, but I can't tell. I don't know if you are American, but trust me...the average American can't even name the capital of another country, let alone know enough to bitch about "what they are doing".

DJ_BobbyPeruAugust 6, 2013 2:10 PM

I'll import the dvd and not buy any Weinstein dvds in the future. Even when they do a good release, I'll just be helping fund a company that does things like this. Every time you think they get it, they prove they really don't.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 2:11 PM

Nah, you're lame. My location has nothing to do with freedom of expression according to Americans, that why's they keep preaching it to the world.

So you say if I just shut down your idea outright, that's violating your rights, but if I buy your idea first and then shut it down, that's freedom?!

muckermanAugust 6, 2013 2:12 PM

Seriously, what the heck is wrong with this guy? I think the main focus should be on marketing. If you can't get people in the theater to watch the film, what's the point? The main problem with having success in releasing Asian films stateside is marketing. People that wouldn't normally see this film or are "too dumb" to understand it aren't suddenly going to buy a ticket because it has been cut down. I'm assuming they'll be cutting down some scenes that would involve subtitles? If so, was that a problem with The Wolverine? Not to mention, word of mouth is not going to be any better because you've cut the heart out of the film... See Red Cliff.

hutchAugust 6, 2013 2:14 PM

Bingo. Smarter films = creates smarter more diverse tastes = less predictable audiences expectations and sales. Lame.

DoobieDaveAugust 6, 2013 2:16 PM

Weinstein Co. is on twitter....tweet the hell out of them( but be respectful) and maybe it will make a difference.

hutchAugust 6, 2013 2:16 PM

Ok. How about "And this from the people who wouldn't edit Kill Bill thus creating 2 films instead of 1." ?

hutchAugust 6, 2013 2:20 PM

Me. I mean hell the guy's got Bong and Ho in his name. Awesomest stage name ever. All the important things in life.

Martin WagnerAugust 6, 2013 2:26 PM

Can we get the Grim Reaper to swap us back James Gandolfini for Harvey Weinstein?

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 2:30 PM

Oh my, the insults. :'(

I'm guessing English isn't your first language, so I maybe this isn't coming across clear. But if nobody forced you to sell your "idea" then yeah. You were free to sell your idea or product and get paid for it. If you didn't like the deal nobody forced you to sell.

You keep talking about Americans, but the people who sold the rights are CJ, Entertainment. You should be mad at them just as much as TWC.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 2:57 PM

Is English your first language? If it is, you're a really stupid person because you don't understand what 'irrelevant' means! You keep trying to attack me personally not the issue being discussed. I get mad or don't with CJ has nothing to do with freedom of expression. Do Koreans preach the world about 'freedom of expression'?.....NO!

I'm talking about Americans because they don't practice what they preach. Too stupid to understand that simple idea too?

DadAugust 6, 2013 3:11 PM

Wow, I was really looking forward to seeing this. Thanks, Harv and Bob, you vulgar pricks.

Yi-LongAugust 6, 2013 3:14 PM

Nothing new for Weinstein: He's been butchering and raping asian cinema for more than 20 years already. Completely ruining them, and making the uncut versions completely unavailable for anyone interested in them, by buying up the worldwide rights in many cases.

Why filmmakers still want to sell their movies to a guy who will completely cut them up, is beyond me.

Anyone interested in the movie should either import an uncut version, or download it.

Don't pay Weinstein a dime for his incomplete and butchered scammy releases!

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 3:14 PM

What attack is against you personally? The English language thing was not meant as an insult, you're the one going for ad hominem.

The problem with your simple idea is the example you cling to, "Snow Piercer" and the distribution deal with TWC is idiotic because it has nothing to do with freedom of expression. If you're entire point in a thread about a MOVIE is that the USA doesn't live up to it's ideals, well no shit Sherlock. I hope you're 12, cause that's about the cutoff point for that being remotely profound or revelatory in anyway. Enjoy your stay on Earth, you'll find that true of everyone.

You can leave California and try out Saudi Arabia or China if you find the place just too hypocritical to bear.

BriceAugust 6, 2013 3:40 PM

In principle, it does make economic sense to cut down an elaborated film into a pure action sci-fi for the American audience which in majority tends to be reluctant to embrace foreign films. The success of Crouching Tigger, Hidden Dragon in the U.S. was due to its heavy focus on kung-fu. However, it is not fair that audiences more used to foreign-language cinema such as in the UK and Australia have to receive the same treatment. Rejection is unlikely in the U.S., but I hope that Canadian, Australian, British, South African and Neo-Zealand film fans will write a petition to keep the original for their country. I personally think the U.S. version might also be used in China, as the Chinese audience tends to react similarly to big action films (see the recent performance of Transformers 3, Iron Man 3 and Pacific Rim now)... let's see how other distributors proceed.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 4:11 PM

You do know what I'm talking about. I'm referring to Americans because Americans always bitch about what other countries're doing unless you can prove those bitches are not Americans.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 4:38 PM

You attack me personally when you side track the issue. You're trying to make it personal, attacking where I live instead of addressing the freedom of speech issue.

So I guess the US is 12 year-old then because it keep bitching about things that everybody violates and the US itself is a GROSS violator! :v

I don't think you're 12 though. You're just stupid.

See. American freedom is so lame, If I have a critical thought about you, I should leave the country. And you just attacking me personally right there. You're just so stupid to see that!

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 5:26 PM

How did I attack where you live? I asked you where you are FROM. Not once was there an attack, you're just being hyper-sensitive.

Also, intelligence digs from the person who insists on this being a first amendment issue is laughable, you're entire post is facile at best.

Haha, I didn't say you should leave, you jackass, I said you should try state run media it out if it's too hypocritical for you here.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 6:09 PM

The point is where I live or am from has nothing to do with the matter here. You could not attack me because I did not let you steer the argument to that direction. That doesn't mean you didn't try and failed. Got concentration problems? :v

Well, you're entitled to your own opinion even if it's stupid right? So what's the problem here?!

You just told me I could leave for China or Saudi Arabia because I concluded US is hypocritical. Why do I have to do that, stupid?!

Why didn't you prove what was wrong in my statement?

DavidAugust 6, 2013 6:31 PM

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Martin WagnerAugust 6, 2013 6:33 PM

Harvey respects directors' artistic freedom — if they're named Tarantino.

Martin WagnerAugust 6, 2013 6:35 PM

The government is in no way involved in this situation. Learn a thing or two about the legal landscape before spouting ignorance.

Martin WagnerAugust 6, 2013 6:40 PM

So the only US filmgoers who were looking forward to seeing this have now been alienated from it, and the Joe Sixpack simpletons Harvey is trying to attract, who weren't going to see it anyway, still aren't. Good job, Harv.

Does anyone have any evidence that Harvey Weinstein has ever cared about movies as movies, in his whole life? Wasn't the whole business model when he ran Miramax to pay too much for indie movies at Sundance, and then release them on 2 screens (or not at all), so they would be write-downs at tax time? Why filmmakers don't run screaming at the mere mention of the Weinstein name is a mystery to me.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 6:42 PM

So you mean it's right as long as the government isn't the one who tramples on your freedom?

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 6:57 PM

I didn't try, you're just afraid that I would. Which to me is a weird thing to be worried about, but maybe you've had trouble in real life or something.

Do I really need to explain the joke that if you hate hypocrisy about rights you can go to a place with no or little freedom of expression and then at least there's no hypocrisy? You took it as "git out of meh country" but that's not at all what I said.

I'll leave it at this cause I'm getting bored. You're welcome to be grumpy at the US or whoever, but you really don't understand the first amendment or how the laws work regarding intellectual property. If that makes you mad, sorry.

Martin WagnerAugust 6, 2013 7:19 PM

No, clod. It's just that YOU mentioned "the 'freedom of expression' that American government just loves to preach the world." And this is not a situation involving the government.

I've posted three comments here flaming TWC for cutting the movie. Try reading for comprehension.

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 7:36 PM

Being a fan isn't an excuse to behave poorly.

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 7:36 PM

"Insulting news."

See, no one is insulting you. You perceive a personal attack where none exists. Calm down.

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 7:37 PM

Not what I implied.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 7:37 PM

Yes, you did otherwise you must have concentration problems.

See, you're trying to attack me personally again. I have problem in real life or not has nothing to do with the subject here.

That's not a joke, that's attacking the messenger to avoid the message. What a lame ass you are! :v

The US Constitution is a joke though.

If I'm really welcome to criticize, you wouldn't ask me to leave the country when I just do exactly that. You would address the problem itself. Yes I do understand how the laws works here. Money is the laws. People with money are the real owners of everything. They trample on the government down to the people and their rights.

You don't need to say sorry, just need to shut up if you can't prove I'm wrong, don't try to attack me personally. Thank you! :v

Todd BrownAugust 6, 2013 7:38 PM

Right, both of you. You're done. You both SHOULD have been done about five comments ago. Drop it. Now. You're accomplishing nothing at all other than making yourselves look like enormous assholes and cluttering up the comment thread and if you continue, I ban you. Got it?

Michael AronsonAugust 6, 2013 7:39 PM

Oh god, shut up already.

Pa Kent Says MaybeAugust 6, 2013 7:41 PM

Well, have you ever been to Oklahoma?
As long as they don't edit THOR 2, Oklahoma's gonna be good.

Meo MeoAugust 6, 2013 7:54 PM

NO means TWC has violated freedom of expression of the creator of the movie right?

This situation happens in the US with a US' company in the mix. The job of the US government is to enforce US laws on US lands and makes sure nobody should violate anybody's rights, isn't it?! So why do they spend time bitching about other countries violate US laws instead?!

Upholding the law is not involving the government? What a clod you are!

Hiroaki JohnsonAugust 6, 2013 7:54 PM

Ok, Hitler.

Todd BrownAugust 6, 2013 7:57 PM

Right. Meo Meo's banned. Anyone care to join him? When multiple staff writers tell you to move along and get on topic rather than cluttering the place up with pointless crap, it's generally a good idea to do so.

Jason MurphyAugust 6, 2013 10:57 PM

Man, I've been waiting & waiting for this film.

So if Harvey wants to cut for his US people, so why should we in Australia, Canada, NZ & South Africa suffer from his patronising attitude. Roadshow grow some balls & protest. The backlash against Sony releasing Evil Dead into '1 cinema per state' was met with howls of derision & they finally relented.

Isn't this just censorship on the director's vision? What a fucknut.

John DoeAugust 7, 2013 2:19 AM

Yes, people are really stupid but for a different reason. They totally don't know this is an effort by Hollywood to kill off competition from overseas.

Passing throughAugust 7, 2013 3:10 AM

1. Nothing was edited from Princess Mononoke, and while the dub wasn't great (most dubs are mediocre at best) it was not dumbed down (a bogus, baseless term anyway). Perhaps you mean the Jet Li film Hero.
2. I was very interested in seeing this film, but thanks to Mr. Scissorhands I will not.
3. The butchered version will not play well in the mid-west. I suspect it will not be a hit in the US regardless of which version gets released (as intriguing and original as it looks, it also looks too grim for mainstream America).

Kkyl August 7, 2013 8:21 AM

as a person who already watched the film in S.Korea, (btw movie is fucking awesome and i don't understand how you can cut anything out of this, it's already kinda shorter than what it could have been)
I think he will cut out all the 'bloody scenes' and 'bad words' then release it as PG13. It's rated PG15 in Korea since the english cursing is not considered as profanity in this country, and i tell you, there are shit loads of cunts and fucks.
Bong-Joon Ho did an interview saying that the Weinstein really wanted him to cut off one of gore part so.. yeah, no blood for US? for the sake of mid-west children, I guess.

guestAugust 7, 2013 8:24 AM

and the fact that the fight scenes are done by the martial art director of Eastern Promise doesn't help..

Have a great dayAugust 7, 2013 9:45 AM

Just watched the movie.. OMG... Totally speechless..

This movie's about our society and what's happening in this world currently

Also this movie involves every individual that are on this earth

I have so much to say about this film .. And leaves u with so much more than the film.. My hear was actually aching

Would recommend

crazyXcrazyAugust 7, 2013 12:52 PM

Fucking useless thick americans again. fucking bunch of uneducated twats ruining the world for the rest of us.

Harvey you fat fucking piece of shit, find a new hobby.

HeijoshinAugust 7, 2013 2:37 PM

I signed the ipetition that was linked. Here is what I wrote in the comment box.

"Stop editing art!!! Censorship is not acceptable, especially not for the reasons that have been given. If I had it my way Harvey Weinstein and any company that he is affiliated with currently or in future would never be allowed to purchase the rights to any film. I have seen too many films that have been ruined by tweaking and cutting for the sake of perceived marketability or understanding of the international audience. I implore the people involved in this process to stop. At the very least I would demand that any DVD and Blu-ray release contain both the international cut as well as the original cut, preserved in an unaltered format both visually as well as audibly in every way (including sound effects and music) with actuate subtitles that translate what is actually being spoken by the actors. This would not just be for this film only but for all releases including the Weinstein owned back catalog. That would be the only way to even begin to make up for the travesties against art that have been made for the sake of Harvey Weistein's opinion."

I figure that HW won't be reading that comment or even care if he did so I thought I'd at least post it here so at least someone who cared would be able to read it.

gomugomuAugust 8, 2013 3:50 AM

they have a facebook page, leave a nasty comment or two. :-x

SueAugust 8, 2013 5:14 AM

I'm just shaking my head right now. I'm a native-born Iowan, and I'm currently residing here in Seoul, Korea. I've seen this film. It's a terrific film, and it's terrific precisely because it asks profound questions about the nature of humanity. Cutting out the dialogue and character development that makes this film rise above the typical action-driven Hollywood pulp would be a travesty.

CurtisAugust 8, 2013 7:16 AM

Dear people of tail section,
I saw this movie yesterday.
Don't let Harvey Weinstein invaded your rights to enjoy the Snowpiercer.

Rush like Curtis!

quote to Doobie dave
Weinstein Co. is on twitter....tweet the hell out of them( but be respectful) and maybe it will make a difference.

bookofmatchesmediaAugust 8, 2013 8:07 AM

Barf. Was looking forward to this. Mother was a trip. I guess we will just have to wait for video release to see the film as it was intended to be seen.

The_Incredible_Mr_PricklepantsAugust 9, 2013 7:39 AM

Bong Joon-ho should tell Harvey Weinstein to go fuck himself.

DiamondInTheDustAugust 9, 2013 8:17 AM

i wonder WTC has any rights to randomly edit the movies as they like it. I mean,,, after all WTC is just a distributor, who has to deliver the products to the enduser AS IT IS, unless they'd participated as a producer.

TomAugust 9, 2013 10:13 AM

Weinstein does not want this film to be successful
do you really believe hollywood mafia would let foreign studio produced sci-fi blockbuster become a hit in US market?

They just want recoop initial investment and couple more but not more

We americans can always enjoy endless superhero movies
Superman batman ratman rabbitman wahtever

rachelAugust 10, 2013 11:06 AM

Wow... How can Weinstein say that? I think this is another racism. Don't insult American movie fans.
I'm a Korean so I watched already Snowpiercer that is so amazing. Don't ruin the movie.

Sean MAugust 11, 2013 1:34 PM

I am an American living in Korea, and I just saw this movie earlier tonight. It was brilliant; hands down, the best movie of 2013. This news absolutely makes my blood boil since I was eager to have my friends back home watch it. Not ONE minute of this movie should be cut, nor does it need any voiceovers. I highly recommend that everyone download the Korean version or wait for the Director's Cut DVD to be released.

KiraAugust 11, 2013 5:34 PM

Probably because the US has debates like "is Global Warming real"... Sigh. Not to mention 46% Americans believe In Creationism... SO...

KwanghoAugust 12, 2013 5:56 AM

I watched it last weekend in Korea. It's a great movie.
However I cannot imagine the film be the same after 20 minutes cut.

muckermanAugust 12, 2013 10:51 AM

Anyone think there is a chance people in L.A. will be lucky enough to get the original cut at CGV cinemas?

Todd BrownAugust 12, 2013 11:14 AM

Absolutely not. the Weinstein Company own all rights in North America and they didn't pay big dollars for them to have someone else cut into their market share. This will never, ever happen.

Todd BrownAugust 12, 2013 11:15 AM

That's a ridiculous statement. You don't spend millions of dollars to acquire something because you want it to fail. They're making a ridiculous assessment of what it will take to maximize their return on their investment, yes, but the goal is ALWAYS to maximize return and make the most money possible. There is no agenda here beyond Harvey and co trying to make the most money possible.

Todd BrownAugust 12, 2013 11:18 AM

You are fundamentally wrong about how acquisition / distribution works. Once they acquire the title they have the right to do whatever they want to it for the duration of their license in their territory unless there are specific restrictions placed upon them (i.e. no cuts) in the contract when they initially acquire the title. If there's not a no cut clause in the contract then they are free to do whatever they want and if the clause isn't there it's because someone at CJ opted not to push for it or decided that the risk of the film being cut (and EVERYBODY internationally is very well aware of the Weinstein's past behavior in this regard) didn't out weight the money they were being paid for it. CJ is as involved in this transaction every bit as much as TWC.

Pierce ConranAugust 12, 2013 11:21 AM

Like Todd says, no chance. CGV LA (in addition to the handful of AMCs the company seems to have a deal with) only plays CJ Entertainment films that haven't sold to the US. The ONLY cut you'll see in the states in the Weinstein one, at least until it hits the home market, at which point it may or may not be available in different versions.

muckermanAugust 12, 2013 1:41 PM

Makes sense, was just holding on to some false hope. Guess I'll be buying the Korean blu ray if and when it is released, as I did with the Grandmaster HK Blu ray.

truthAugust 12, 2013 3:15 PM

I can't believe that I get to watch a dumb down version of Snowpiercer. Not fair!!! Dang it.

johnAugust 12, 2013 7:52 PM

I really don't think it's a ridiculous statement. If you dig real deep into who controls what, things that seem preposterous suddenly makes a lot sense.

johnAugust 12, 2013 7:53 PM

I think you're on to something here...

johnAugust 12, 2013 7:59 PM

I would say that 99.9% of the people don't know how right you are!

TomAugust 12, 2013 11:24 PM

Making money out of one movie is not important compared to keeping the market structure.

It's just a speculation of course.

Todd BrownAugust 13, 2013 10:07 AM

I would say you don't have the first damn clue what the actual economics of the industry really are. Not liking The Weinstein's business practices doesn't make the grounds of some grand conspiracy. This is baseless stupidity, particularly given that it's being leveled at people who - irritating policies notwithstanding - have focused the core of their business for DECADES on bringing independent, international films to the US.

They're a private company, backed by private investors who demand a return on their money. I hate this decision, but the reality is that it was made because the Weinstein's believe it is the best business decision and will maximize their return. And what the hardcore (very much minority) fanbase should be more concerned about is the simple fact that they're probably right.

Todd BrownAugust 13, 2013 10:12 AM

Market structure? Take a look at the movies Bob and Harvey have released and made their money on over the years. Their 'market structure' is based VERY strongly on bringing international indies to the US, and has been from the beginning days at Miramax. These guys have brought more international films to the US than anybody else over recent decades. Nobody else is even close. Their cutting policies are irritating as all hell but their business model is based entirely on these films being successful in North America.

It's a completely and utterly ridiculous statement, John, on every level. But really ... go ahead and 'dig deep' and tell us who's really controlling things. Have the illuminati taken an interest in foreign film production?

johnAugust 13, 2013 9:01 PM

Like Tom says, it's speculation of course. But this is completely different than a few indie productions. We're talking about a big budget(relatively speaking) foreign production with an English speaking cast that has the potential to be a blockbuster in the U.S. I don't know anything about a 'illuminati' but certainly, pressure can be exerted to shut down or kill a project if it is seen as a threat to market share and control of who gets to see what.

Todd BrownAugust 14, 2013 9:57 AM

You've just described The King's Speech.

HayunAugust 18, 2013 1:14 AM

I saw this movie recently in Korea, and I just can't imagine where they would cut out 20 minutes and not mangle this masterpiece....

KieranAugust 19, 2013 10:31 AM

Come on, we are not in the seventies anymore. Why do they even bother to buy the film if they don't want it like that ?

And they still wonder why people download movie rather than go to a theatre or buying a dvd/BR ...

cinesimonjAugust 21, 2013 1:23 AM

You really ought to make the effort to understand what it is the Weinsteins have been making money on ever since they essentially opened up the foreign market to America in the early 1990s.
You might then come to regard such bizarre conspiracy theorizing as the laughable nonsense it surely is.

cinesimonjAugust 21, 2013 1:24 AM

You're not too familiar with how the Weinstein's make and have made their fortunes, have you?
Therefore, it's a conspiracy.

cinesimonjAugust 21, 2013 1:25 AM

Why would you need superhero movies, when you can entertain yourself with bizarre, ignorant and childish conspiracy theories like this?

cinesimonjAugust 21, 2013 1:29 AM

Evidence, you ask?
Oh, I don't know: what he's done for the non-English language film industry, perhaps?
Or is that too much of an ask to consider?

wushuliuAugust 23, 2013 12:47 AM

Yeah, how is anyone surprised by this. I stopped buying Weinstein imported asian films YEARS ago.

Eric MeadAugust 30, 2013 1:57 PM

so in other words, the weinsteins are promoting the US and other countries to use sites like piratebay in order to get the version that ISNT theirs!!!!

Rhythm-XAugust 30, 2013 4:01 PM

It's like they don't understand that people will be able to download the uncut version of the film in full quality for free - probably before the Weinsteins have even set a release date for their dumbed down version that nobody wants. People can argue about the morality of piracy all day, or declare it a subject whose overwhelming wrongness is not up for debate... but what matters is that it happens, a lot, and that's not changing anytime soon. It seems to me like it would be prudent for a distributor to not do anything to make that option more attractive to people than it already is. But since when have the Weinsteins been prudent about this sort of shit?

David September 29, 2013 6:54 PM

Of course it has to be dumbed-down for American audiences and their nanosecond long attention spans.

Thinking is too difficult for a lot of folks in America. Many need "extra-help".

YodaNovember 9, 2013 1:09 PM

Gonna watch the film. I am. Yeessss

JaivesFebruary 1, 2014 6:27 AM

Just came back from watching it. Wow really? Sucks to be in the US then. That and your healthcare. Otherwise, awesome film.

AsashiiMarch 21, 2014 10:01 AM

I will download the original 126 minute version, and get the eng subs for the Korean parts from a sub title website, I wont miss the full movie, will you ???

AsashiiMarch 21, 2014 10:06 AM

AAWWWW, did some one frighten the little liberal weak Biyoch with a dodge ball or show you a picture of kids playing freeze tag, did you want to hang out in the little girls bathroom in a women's dress even though you are not a women and some one said no, poor little girl !!!!

actionjksnMarch 22, 2014 3:09 PM

I just watched the uncut version of it. I'm still trying to figure out what 20 minutes this asshole Weinstein could have cut out without fucking up the whole movie.

BK AlleyMarch 23, 2014 1:51 AM

The sad part is, a lot of Americans ARE dumb, and can't follow anything more complex than Twilight.

NHBill603March 23, 2014 2:33 AM

There's a better film in there with a leaner cut.
Some films overindulge their directors.
This is one of them.
I don't know how many minutes need to go but there Are pacing issues.
It's a very good film however with some fine acting especially from Swinton.
I just don't think that tightening up the film necessarily dumbs it down.

JunglistMarch 23, 2014 5:36 AM

I'd imagine it's every second axe chop.

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tommarkelJuly 22, 2014 11:31 AM

The hell with Harvey Weinstein@!. Watch or buy the great Snowpiercer movie anyway you can to make this a hit movie. I watched it as rental on iTunes and loved it. Now have purchased it. A terrific movie and one of the best if not best of the year. Joon-ho Bong and the movie should be up for an academy awards.

maryadams_commentsAugust 5, 2014 8:44 PM

It isn't that Harvey Weinstein thinks that we are too dumb to understand the movie. We have already had Purge Anarchy, a movie essentially about class warfare and the control of the government and the country for the benefit of the rich, which outdid the first Purge movie; and Snowpiercer is the second movie about CLASS WAREFARE. You don't want two movies in one summer telling you that the rich are evil. The peasants might revolt!

SteelApril 11, 2016 2:34 AM

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