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The Red Band trailer for RZA's The Man With The Iron Fists will be the subject of scrutiny by Kung Fu cinema purists around the world.

All of the hours we committed to watching movies from studios like Shaw Brothers and Golden Harvest have instantly made us experts in the genre as we begin the ruthless evaluation of each second of this trailer.

Does RZA's love letter to Kung Fu cinema hold a candle up to the heritage set by the genre's forefathers like Chang Cheh and Lau Kar-leung?

Make yourselves heard after watching the trailer below!
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Electro666June 28, 2012 9:31 PM

Rap and Chinese Martial Arts shouldn't be mixed together.. This is an insult to hundred of years of Asian cultures and history by gangs of rappers with no culture at all..

PanamagreenJune 28, 2012 9:36 PM

Electro666 dude stfu

JayJune 28, 2012 10:31 PM

this looks like a bunch of big, silly FUN!!! i can't wait...

AlanJune 28, 2012 11:05 PM

To say rap has no culture is laughably ignorant. It's also not the first time film or show to have an asian and amercian cultural blend. The anime Samurai Champloo mixed Japanese samurai with hip hop to great stylistic effect.

hiroaki.jJune 28, 2012 11:41 PM

There's no inherent value in simply being old. Further, if Chinese martial arts were so sacrosanct they wouldn't be peddled out and commodified for mass consumption internationally.

At least this isn't as dour and artistically stale as the nationalistic drek China has been spewing out for the last 5 years or so.

2BitJune 29, 2012 12:00 AM

Well it certainly looks better than The Warriors Way.

Greg ChristieJune 29, 2012 12:27 AM

I'm sold for now. Incredibly slick trailer although I could do without Lucy Liu. She has become the requisite Chinese American fetish item even though she constantly criticizes the stereotyping of Asian women in American film. It was ironic and clever in Kill Bill but it almost seems offensive that only her and Maggie Q seem to be the only Chinese actresses you'll find in American action cinema. It would have been cooler to see even more, if not an entire cast of authentic HK martial artist performers or even some Thai since this is just one big homage to everything. Fun trailer though, hope it plays out better than Bunraku or Warrior's Way, or even Afro Samurai. I've seen a lot of slick looking meta post modern Americanized martial arts/samurai mash ups these past few years and they rarely work at feature length. I still suspect this may end up being an embarrassing chore to watch like Ninja Assassin, or Suki Yaki Django, but for now, it looks like my 16 year old self's wet dream. If they're smart about effectively marketing this as a true cult film, they won't go overboard with the PR hype machine although I already smell a big Fantastic Fest premiere and a gluttony of overpraised hyperbole from AICN. And for whatever reason, I expect Chop Sockey is going to be the new cool term and genre for fake film geeks like Grindhouse.

DonJune 29, 2012 1:01 AM

Had hopes for this but it is just stupid.

Sentry1984June 29, 2012 2:04 AM

That sure is one fine Trailer. I certainly am pumped.

QinlongJune 29, 2012 4:56 AM

I think he said Rappers (not rap) have no culture. He might be right about that.

QinlongJune 29, 2012 4:59 AM

MEH ! This looks like the kind of film that has enough visual craziness to muster a fun trailer, but in its complete form becomes messy and boring. That's just an impression though ; Russel Crowe hamming it up is reason enough for me to see this.

icn1983June 29, 2012 5:49 AM

Thanks for the clarification, Qinlong. Electro666's comment is still misinformed and racist.

Electro666June 29, 2012 6:35 AM

Why am I being called a racist? Oh, yeah, because lots of people still today associates automatically rap music with Black people, when now everobody do rap music, Hispanics, Asians, Caucasians, etc.. The rap music culture itself is about street gangs glorification, murder, rape, pimps, drugs, women exploitation, etc.. Most rappers are criminals and brags about it.. Why associates it with the nobility of Martial Arts culture? Because bands like Wu Tang Clan uses it to try to look cool.

As for the movie itself, it looks just like a hack job, something Tarantino does all the time.. No wonder he is associated with the project.. Its so easy to copy others and call it an "homage"..

And one of my favorite martial arts actor is Michael Jay White. So I am not a racist.

zetobeltJune 29, 2012 6:52 AM

Over the top, silly, and boring... I prefer Tai Chi 0.

QinlongJune 29, 2012 6:53 AM

Well said.

Niels MatthijsJune 29, 2012 6:55 AM

Looks like fun. Maybe it can become the film that Kill Bill should've been. Not sure about the all-English dialogues though, and Russel Crowe is terribly bleh, let's hope he doesn't ruin it.

CuttermaranJune 29, 2012 7:00 AM

Russel Crow is one of the best things in the trailer. Trailer is cool.

drees5761June 29, 2012 7:08 AM

Far too much CGI, i thought this would be a back to basics real kung fu movie. Not a fan of Rap so the blending of it into this film worries me.
Can't say i am looking forward to it, hope i am wrong.

Todd BrownJune 29, 2012 9:50 AM

Watched this a few times now and just realized that the RZA is barely in it. Weird choice to almost entirely remove your lead character from the trailer for the movie ...

SwarezJune 29, 2012 10:21 AM

The trailer and just the overal look of the film looks far better than I expected it to be, especially since RZA has limited experience behind the camera I'm guessing. Looks like the work of a man who clearly has a vision. Now we just have to wait and see if the actual film is as good as the trailer looks.

ScottscopeJune 29, 2012 10:24 AM

Your views aren't so much racist as they are profoundly ignorant and offensive. Rap and Chinese martial arts shouldn't be mixed together? Tell that to the scores of Hip-Hoppers that have been devouring martial arts films for the past 30 or so years. Black Americans have always had a deep appreciation for both martial arts films and the martial arts in general. Hip-Hop has always reflected that appreciation on some level, even before the emergence of the Wu-Tang Clan. The tradition of battling is evidence of this. Hip-Hop culture encompasses much more than the negative and sensational elements you've listed. Rap music as a whole consists of much more than hedonism and lurid subject matter. Politically/socially conscious rap has been around since 1980. It currently has more subgenres and styles than ever before, many of which do not revolve around criminality. Gangsta rap is now considered passe. I don't know that rappers as a whole are any less cultured than any other group of entertainers. In fact, I'd argue that they exhibit the same level of cultural bankruptcy as the average American. As a Black man and a Hip-Hopper, I'd like to offer you some valuable advice: stop letting mainstream radio and video outlets dictate your worldview. Do some investigating and learn the history of that which you malign. Anyway, this looks like a really fun update of the old Shaw Brothers classics. My only issue is the overabundance of CGI. Everything else looks good.

SwarezJune 29, 2012 10:30 AM

To ad to this.
The Wu Tang Clan have probably done more for asian martial arts cinema than any film distributer in the states. Their use of samples and soundbites from asian films prompted many, me included, to seek out these films. Hell, Shogun Assassin is probably best known now for being sampled on GZA's album Liquid Swords.

hiroaki.jJune 29, 2012 10:44 AM

You may not be racist in your opinions, but I think it's pretty obvious to anyone with experience with the musical genre that you're ignorant.
There are hip hop anti war songs, experimental ones, ones that glorify gangs and criminality, others that testify to the stark reality of living around those elements. The topics that hip hop addresses are myriad, sorry you're only aware of what gets radio play.

If it offends you that some guys included references to movies they saw growing up (and obviously love) in their own artwork... Well, you're going to have a rough time moving through life.

Also as a final point, putting martial arts culture on some kind of pedestal is choosing to be amazingly unaware of history.

hiroaki.jJune 29, 2012 10:49 AM

I think their adoration is genuine and pretty unabashed as well. RZA in particular strikes me as a fan, not someone who particularly sees gold in that old Shaw bro's logo.

JahsoldierJune 29, 2012 2:33 PM

I was hoping for more traditional kung fu and less wire work, but it still looks like big dumb fun. As long as it is better than Kill Bill, I will be happy. Also hoping for another great soundtrack.

SwarezJune 29, 2012 3:16 PM

I do however think that most of the asian cinema love comes from RZA since he is a huge fan and produced most if not all of the Wu's albums.

hiroaki.jJune 29, 2012 6:39 PM

I'd agree with that. But many of them have made references within their lyrics, something RZA probably wouldn't have much direct control over.
Meth for example has claimed to be "The true Fist of the Northstar" :)

ChevalierAguilaJune 30, 2012 7:30 PM

Russell Crow was, surprisingly, the best thing about this trailer. Lucy Liu is a bore to watch, and is playing yet again the token asian girl character. Daniel Wu, Pam Grier and Gordon Liu are all suppose to be in this, but i guess they won't have big roles. Having Eli Roth working in the script is not a good sign, but i can see why the RZA would team up with someone who has some movie experience under his belt. Corey Yeun is doing the fights, so that's a good thing too. So, it's a bit of a mixed bag so far. It could be good, heck, certainly better than Kill Bill. Not that they are going against any high standards regarding hollywood and their ill-fated attempts at making martial arts films.

GeneralErrorJune 30, 2012 7:53 PM

Shouldn't the CG effects be better for all that money?

GeneralErrorJune 30, 2012 7:55 PM

I haven't seen Snow White and the Huntsman, but I can only assume that snow white is the main character. I couldn't even find her in the trailer, although I've been assured she's in there somewhere.

heijoshin1July 2, 2012 5:47 PM

Okay So I've been waiting a while to actually see a trailer for this movie so I can see just what kind of film this was going to be. I admit I am short on time and only read half of the of the comments posted so for and will go back latter and read the rest. Please forgive for reposting anything but the following are my thoughts on what I have just seen.

I do not like to see period martial arts mixed with rap. I hope that that is only for the trailer and not the film. I have no problem with rap or hip hop but in a period setting I feel its out of place just as much as several other genres of music. I would not want to see a period film set to electronica either.

"Does RZA's love letter to Kung Fu cinema hold a candle up to the heritage set by the genre's forefathers like Chang Cheh and Lau Kar-leung? " In my opinion, no. Not even close. Not from that trailer. Looks more like Quentin Tarantino to me. I love Quentin but he ain't no Lau Kar-leung either.

Don't like the CG. I don't like CG in most movies let alone a period piece that is supposed to pay homage to the Shaw days.

In short I'm left interested. It's just not the movie that I was thinking in my mind I guess. I will watch it and give it a fair shot. If it comes off like a 'Quentin' then I think I will be happy. I'm just glad that I feel like I know what I am going to see now. I hope it's good. I want more good kung fu movies to come out. I guess we'll find out shortly...

heijoshin1July 2, 2012 6:39 PM

Just finished reading off the other posts that I didn't get to read prior to my previous post. for the heck of it let me reiterate I feel like hip hop or rap has no place in a Period Kung Fu movie. No more so that any other type of music that is ill suited such as; electronica, country, pop, punk, ska, classic rock, almost anything. I just don't think its the right feel, again I state this is my opinion.

Additionally I think the cast is actually good. Can't really judge that until I see the film. I have no idea about the movie's story or the quality of the script. I also noticed that I am the only one here that said that they like Tarantino. I realize that he is a very polarizing figure in the movie industry and most people either think he's a hack scumbag or a genius. Look, I'm from the genius camp and I see no point in arguing about that on this page. This is about RZA and his film so let's not do that. I just felt I should preempt the inevitable "Tarantino sucks" post before it surfaces.

Hoping for the best out of this film but expecting nothing yet.