Have Your Say: Let's Get Incredibly Sexist For A Moment...

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Have Your Say: Let's Get Incredibly Sexist For A Moment...
Earlier today, as I was browsing through reviews, I started to wonder if anyone actually had anything BAD to say about Wonder Woman. I mean, it's a superhero film, so there's got to be some critics who dislike it, right? It's always interesting to read opposing opinions.

But then I got to this morsel. One critic, and I won't honor the article with either a name or a link, (please go to The Mary Sue instead) he basically had something against a woman having been chosen to direct this, stating: "In all film history, Leni Riefenstahl and Kathryn Bigelow remain the only women to exhibit proficiency at kinetic filmmaking."

Now, I have to admit. For a moment I was tempted to take the bait. I was going to ask you all to name the best film ever made by a woman director. But it just felt ridiculous and non-sensical. I mean, I might as well ask for the best book written by someone who's left-handed, or the best game of chess ever done by a gay player. Or I might ask for the best 3D-film made by a one-eyed director. That last one at least would have amusement value, and some connection between subject and adjective.

So, let's just list loads of women who have, in all of film history, exhibited proficiency at kinetic filmmaking. Because apparently, even in 2017 some people still need to be told about them.

Chime in with those names, and HAVE YOUR SAY!

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dustin changJune 6, 2017 11:32 AM

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Niels MatthijsJune 6, 2017 12:39 PM

Not sure what one would consider "kinetic filmmaking", but it doesn't quite mix with some of the names I've seen mentioned here. I mean, I like Hadzihalilovic, but I wouldn't call her style kinetic. Same goes for Ann Hui or Claire Denis.

When it comes to good horror and action, I have to admit I draw a blank too (and it's not from lack of watching).

ZetobeltJune 6, 2017 1:12 PM

The name Naomi Kawase popped into my mind.

Shelagh M. Rowan-LeggJune 6, 2017 1:48 PM

Sally Potter, Agnes Varda, Jane Campion, The Wachowskis, Patricia Rozema, Ava DuVernay, Chantel Ackerman, Kelly Reichardt, Julie Dash, Agnieszka Holland, Kathryn Bigelow, Vera Chytilova, Margarethe Von Trotta, Penny Marshall, Mira Nair, Mimi Leder, Kimberly Peirce...

I could go on, but I'd love to hear others' favourites

Cris SaurJune 6, 2017 1:49 PM

Agnes Varda, Claire Denis, Ana Lily Amirpour, Liliana Cavani, Lucy Walker, Barbara Kopple, Laura Poitras... list is HUGE!

Unflinching_EyeJune 6, 2017 3:39 PM

I love Ravenous. Vale Antonia.

Unflinching_EyeJune 6, 2017 3:43 PM

Julia Ducournau! RAW is amazing!

Ard VijnJune 6, 2017 5:17 PM

I hesitated about adding Claire Denis but then I remembered Denis Lavant's dance at the end of BEAU TRAVAIL. ;-)

Niels MatthijsJune 6, 2017 6:20 PM

Myeah. In the end it's all taste related of course, but the ending of Beau Travail is a good example of why I have trouble coming up with good examples. The idea is there, the execution was horrendous.

The closest I get is Susie Au's Ming Ming, but that film too mellows down considerably in the second half. And there's Mika Ninagawa, but I feel it becomes a semantic stretch that doesn't do justice to the intent of the original poster.

dustin changJune 6, 2017 7:59 PM

It was hard to come up with female directors making kinetic movies. True about Hadzihalilovic. Denis though, I don't know if it's in her camera movement or in editing, some of the sequences late in White Material (*spoiler: where Huppert character butchers her father) were quite kinetic to me.

marshy00June 7, 2017 1:26 AM

And of course everyone already knows that the best 3D film from a one-eyed filmmaker is Andre de Toth's HOUSE OF WAX!

Will SchusterJune 7, 2017 4:20 AM

Mimi Leder's criminally underrated Peacemaker is the first thing that comes to mind.

Ard VijnJune 7, 2017 4:41 AM

Of course, that was the one that popped in mind when I wrote that.

Ard VijnJune 7, 2017 4:52 AM

You can sure debate what 'kinetic cinema' is, or put question marks at several names on these lists. But there is no inherent reason why women would be worse at this than men, and if they're rare in this field, that's just because they seldom are picked to helm pictures like these. And even while rare, it is ludicrous to claim that only two women showed proficiency. A bullshit lie, even.

Niels MatthijsJune 7, 2017 1:14 PM

I'd say there no reason why a woman shouldn't be able to best a man when it comes to kinetic cinema, but generally speaking I do think men have the advantage. And it's not just because of slim pickings. Couldn't tell you why though, but let's not pretend there's no difference between men and women. I prefer to embrace it rather than glance over it :)

ToryKJune 7, 2017 7:19 PM

Respectful salute thrown Antonia Bird's way. I absolutely love Ravenous, and I have a soft spot for Face.

Stephen LambrechtsJune 8, 2017 1:10 AM

Sorry, but the film version of American Psycho is the kind of genius adaptation that could only have come from a woman.

D_userJune 9, 2017 4:23 AM

No, I didn't know. As I read the line above in the article about a one eyed filmmaker I thought it a little more snarky that required. But now, reading this comment, it is a fact. Oh.

xtheseusxJune 9, 2017 4:51 PM

I'm interested to see what people come up with here. No shade, but if there are loads of these filmmakers to be listed, I'd like to know about em.

george bushJune 10, 2017 3:57 PM

The movie entirely missed the point of the book and was panned for it. The idiot show shot that movie is a half wit. FYI Bateman never killed anyone.

george bushJune 10, 2017 4:00 PM

Wonder Woman was formulaic propaganda and it worked. Articles like this and the eunuchs who shout at 'critics' and sexism based analysis of this movie are part of their marketing. You're not stronger for towing the company line nor smarter. You're the opposite which is why these companies are preying on socially stunted demographics. That's why leftists all look like weak losers. They are. This movie has done it's job. At least on the people it was targeted to work over anyway.

Ard VijnJune 12, 2017 9:15 AM

You mean I'm part of why this film is successful? Cool!

Ard VijnJune 12, 2017 9:19 AM

When I found out Andre de Toth only had one eye I was very surprised, as HOUSE OF WAX is just about the most 3D film ever made. I mean, I saw it in 2D and still noticed people kept throwing stuff (including axes) at the camera every few minutes!

D_userJune 14, 2017 1:46 AM

Was it because of the said visual effects or the quality of the film. Paris Hilton starred right? :) Not that I have seen it. Throwing axes at the camera?? Axes were permitted in the theatre? At the camera? I.e Screen?

Ard VijnJune 14, 2017 5:33 AM

Hahaha no, this is the older one with Vincent Price (and, believe it or not, Charles Bronson). And it's not the audience throwing stuff at the screen, it's the actors going for the cheap 3D shocks. ;-)

Indeed, the one where the audience throws axes at the screen is the one with Paris Hilton.

D_userJune 15, 2017 9:44 AM

Oh. There is an older version. Didn't know this either. Ah.The actors. ohhkk. :)

D_userJune 15, 2017 9:53 AM

Okie, every one is going ga ga over this film as the bestest thing to happen to a female lead in a film. But at the first go, her outfit is just like the predecessors' - objectified, sexually in your face, she is like Xenia the warrior, umpteenth reboot. Something is amiss in the world lapping up Wonder Woman. I am going to get flak for saying this without watching the film, but the poster, her dress and her act all all such been there done that. It really makes one go, ah not again. But for male fans, they'll lap it up.

cjohnstonJune 15, 2017 1:38 PM

Claire Carre and Caroline Link "immediately" come to my head..
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THEN. ................and You might very well thought-balloon curse me for this --- there are those Other films out there that; while not directed by Women -- nonetheless have.. .......feminism (in a great many multiplicity of shapes, figures, and guises indeed) as it's subject matter...
- How I Live Now
- Lizbeth Salander film(s)
- The Congress
- Adore
- Wild
- I Smile Back
- Meadowland
- ...........the upccoming Atomic Blonde.. *depending on how it's "done".

.....Wonder Woman of course..
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ALL are feminine infused/centered Heavyweights..

.....and that's just simply what came to mind off hand..

YojimboJune 15, 2017 2:08 PM

No Flak.
As to "objectified, sexually in your face" you are aware of her origin?
If I lived on a paradise Island and had to wear armour, a breast plate and a short kilt would be it.
For unlike the Princess of Themyscira I would not be wearing underwear for I am a Scotsman.

D_userJune 16, 2017 4:05 AM

Fair, do get this. But still...
i went ahead and checked the film, its story on wiki and why its a positive turn for hero (ines) in the comic world, (just in the comic world?) so ok, there could some take aways..but how is this different from sat the previous super heroines? I dont follow DC Marvel comics and the films so dont know but still I feel something is amiss...But your points are well taken. :)