Tony Jaa And Prachya Pinkaew Reunite For TOM YUM GOONG 2

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Tony Jaa And Prachya Pinkaew Reunite For TOM YUM GOONG 2
Tony Jaa is taking another very big step towards reclaiming his position as the top martial arts screen fighter in the world. And this one is more than a little bit surprising on a great number of levels.

We brought word earlier this month of a new Hong Kong based project that would match Jaa with fight choreographer Sammo Hung and now Thailand's Sahamongkol Film have announced that Jaa will reunite with director Prachya Pinkaew and fight choreographer Panna Rittikrai for Tom Yum Goong 2.

Missing elephant jokes aside, this is big news for Jaa with the original Tom Yum Goong - released as The Protector in North America - marking both his last true hit and the beginnings of his troubles. It was immediately after Tom Yum Goong that Jaa essentially declared Pinkaew unnecessary and unwanted, announcing that he would direct his next film himself. Pinkaew was deeply insulted and the relationship between the star and the director who built his career degraded to the point where they weren't even on speaking terms. Pinkaew would go on to groom Jija Yanin in Chocolate while Jaa would crumble badly under the pressure of directing Ong Bak 2 himself, eventually losing control of the badly over budget and over schedule project.

But Tom Yum Goong 2 will reunite the entire Tom Yum Goong / Ong Bak team with Jaa in the lead, Pinkaew directing, Rittikrai handling fight choreography and Chocolate star Jija Yanin also handed a significant role - the first time Jaa has ever shared the stage with another marquee fighter. Like the upcoming Chocolate 2, this film will be shot in digital 3D.

The big surprises in this are twofold. First, Jaa and Pinkaew have patched things up and are working together again. This can only be viewed as a good thing because, frankly, neither has been as good without the other. The bigger surprise, though, is that Jaa is once again in the Sahamongkol fold, which I would never, ever have expected to happen. Jaa's original ten year contract with the company will have expired before this film goes in to production, meaning that they have struck a new deal. Consider that at the peak of the Ong Bak 2 debacle Jaa took refuge in a police station claiming that the studio had sent gangsters after him and, well ... the prospect of the star willingly signing up with the studio again seemed unlikely to say the least. Whether there was any basis to the gangster story isn't even the point - if Jaa believed there was enough truth to it that he sought police protection that says something about how incredibly bad the situation between star and company had gotten and I'm amazed that they've gotten back together.

Pinkaew's Chocolate 2 is scheduled to go in to production in May and will need to be completed before this can begin, so don't expect Tom Yum Goong 2 any time soon. But fans should be happy to know it's coming.
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kungfueurotrashApril 26, 2011 11:07 AM

More Tony Jaa news the better... The future looks mighty bright!!!

kungfueurotrashApril 26, 2011 11:13 AM

Fuck Yeah!!!

KBApril 26, 2011 11:45 AM

I'm actually a bit disappointed. No more sequels! The teaming with Sammo would be monumental and would be great for the Hong Kong film industry as well. Oh well.

cruznickApril 26, 2011 12:14 PM

can't wait to see jaa!! yes this is splendid news by far!

ImprovisationApril 26, 2011 1:46 PM

I thought the reason for the whole monkhood thing was to let that nasty contract expire. Now there's another one? They must be offering him a huge wad of cash.

xinoApril 26, 2011 2:14 PM

YES!

The Legend is BACK!

"Tony Jaa is taking another very big step towards reclaiming his position as the top martial arts screen fighter in the world. "

hahaha, so who is no 1 right now? Iko?

"that Jaa essentially declared Pinkaew unnecessary and unwanted, announcing that he would direct his next film himself. Pinkaew was deeply insulted and the relationship between the star and the director who built his career degraded to the point where they weren't even on speaking terms"

Is that true? or just added twisted opinion to make Jaa look bad?:/

"while Jaa would crumble badly under the pressure of directing Ong Bak 2 himself, eventually losing control of the badly over budget and over schedule project."

Hahahah, you really dislike the Legend Jaa don't you? Ong Bak 2 is one of the best martial arts movies man:)

Thanks for this news man!
I love hearing good news:)

xinoApril 26, 2011 2:19 PM

yea...and also posting secret hidden messages in my beloved Martial arts movies about China being bullied by others.

Who knows the movie might just be Jaa going to China and him terrorizing China:/

I just don't want no racist nationalism trash in the movie>:/

Todd BrownApril 26, 2011 3:08 PM

Right now Donnie Yen is very clearly the top screen fighter in the world. Whether you measure it by audience, by volume of output or by quality nobody has come close to touching Donnie for the past five years.

As for the split between Jaa and Pinkaew, that's not hard to verify. Google it. Prachya was initially supposed to direct Ong Bak 2. Tony wanted to do it himself. Sahamongkol backed Tony and the two didn't talk for a couple years. It's common knowledge.

Do I dislike Tony? No, I think he's phenomenally talented. But Ong Bak 2 was an absolute DISASTER for him on a personal and a business level. He went radically over schedule, radically over budget, mortgaged his own house to try and pay his way out of debt, failed at that, melted down, disappeared from his own film set for two solid months, then came back out of shape, had a crying fit on national television and ran to the police with delusions that he was being followed by gangsters. The guy was a complete and utter mess on any level you care to look at it. As a direct consequence of this Sahamongkol had several distribution contracts for Ong Bak 2 canceled, had to refund the purchase price and then renegotiate new deals at lower values with different distributors. Ong Bak 2 was SUPPOSED to be handled in all English speaking territories by the Weinstein Company, who were paying a premium for it. Tony's behavior on set and inability to deliver a finished film cost them that deal and a bunch more, which is why OB2&3 were eventually distributed in the US by Magnolia at a greatly reduced price.

Tony effectively blew up his career with OB2. He destroyed personal relationships at home by insisting on directing it himself, then blew up business relationships by failing to deliver and absolutely destroying his own public image with his erratic behavior. He needs to rehabilitate himself and, luckily, he seems to be recognizing that. Doing a project outside of Thailand - the Sammo Hung thing - will be good for him, as will getting back with the director he had success with at home.

Ask yourself this before dogging me for being mean to poor Tony: Why is Jija Yanin in this film? Tony has NEVER had another featured fighter in one of his films. He's never needed one. Jija is Sahamongkol's insurance policy here. She's another star to take the pressure off Tony on set and to take the pressure off Tony in the marketing. Jija is more bankable than Tony is in Thailand now, a more sure bet than Tony is. She shows up at work, does what she's asked to do, and audiences like her.

MikeApril 26, 2011 3:51 PM

So the Hong Kong thing is definitely still happening then? I hope they haven't somehow signed him to another exclusive deal, though I guess I'm not sure why they'd want to at this point.

xinoApril 26, 2011 4:54 PM

hahahahah, I love it when you talk dirty about Tony:)

"The guy was a complete and utter mess on any level you care to look at it. "
hahahahahahaha:D

" But Ong Bak 2 was an absolute DISASTER for him on a personal and a business level."
Sorry but I DISAGREE! Ong Bak 2 was actually a hit in Thailand and the most pirated movie (in thai?O_o). I consider the movie as one of the best martial art movies so do many hardcore martial arts fans.
Fans who love seeing actors doing stunts and circus stuff (much like Jackie) hated the movie because they never saw any circus act in the movie. A man using 5 weapons simultaneously considered trash!? people must be mad. The shock in Ong Bak 2 was just the ending that people bang on about.

Ong Bak 3 I will consider a failure. Ong Bak 2 did not fail, it only failed at production and delay however you get many of that when filming movies.

In fact you make it sound as if Tony taking on the director role for Ong Bak 2 was a bad thing. Actually it was a good thing and an inevitable path. Nearly every martial actors debuted movie had always failed. Jet Li's Born too Defence was considered a failure in Hong Kong, however that is part of being a super star and a rising star. (I actually love that movie.)

Or how about Donnie Yen's Ballistic Kiss? that was a failure and a total garbage movie. Look at him now, people do not hate him or remembered him for Ballistic Trash.

It's all part of being a star and a better martial artist, we all fail at some point and we should get back up; when we do we get better!

Tony Jaa really gambled with money, if he had directed Ong Bak 2 back in the 90s or 80s like others, the problem wouldn't be this bad. And no doubt Ong Bak 2 is the best looking Thai movie ever created. Unless someone can tell me a better looking thai film.


"off Tony on set and to take the pressure off Tony in the marketing."
You make it sound as if people hate Tony for the incident when he directed Ong Bak 2?
look at the comments in this article, others are proud that Tony is back!
If people see a promotion trailer for Tony's next movie, they would be mad excited!
its like saying people hate Michel Jackson for sleeping with kids.
Even though people knew about that, they still adore him with all their hearts. It's the same with Tony Jaa, the guy is a premature rising star, he changed the world and opened people's eyes with On Bak.
I watched Tony Jaa on tour and saw just how people love him. Jackie Chan admitted and said so himself that Tony is number 1 martial arts- Jet li, himself & bruce lee all role into one. Just because of the OB2&OB3 incident doesn't mean Jackie would resent Tony.

Everyone makes mistake man, there's forgiveness when you come back with a bang. I may be naive by just being a regular fan of Tony and do not acknowledge wtf is going on in Thailand whereas you do have experience with them. However I would not let that taint me, I love the guy and I will keep supporting him, it's best to be positive than to be negative.

You may not see it nor believe it, but you do have hate for Tony Jaa. I know you would deny it, but you can't see it. I do know that the OB2 incident irritated a lot of people since many journalist always reference to that incident whenever they write an article about Jaa. Anyway that is the way the press act, they are the ones that make celebrities look back on press:)

Donnie Yen is currently the best so far, in terms of reception just as you said.


Jija is great however the movie she starred in thus far haven't really showed her epitome yet. And I'm glad she's in this movie:)

Todd BrownApril 26, 2011 5:30 PM

Most of what you're saying is nothing but opinion and it's a non starter to go there but OB2 was categorically not a hit and not a financial success. It was so far over budget that Sahamongkol had to split it into two parts to have a prayer of making their money back.

Ong Bak 2 was by far the most expensive movie of Tony's career and made only about two thirds of what Tom Yum Goong did at the Thai box office. Internationally it did even worse. Ong Bak made four million dollars at the US box office alone. OB2 made a hundred grand. That is NOT a hit.

And when it got to Ong Bak 3 it got worse. OB3 made less than half of what OB2 did at the Thai box office and is by FAR the lowest grossing film of Tony's career. Last time I wrote about it the US numbers hadn't been reported but they have now. Know how much it made? Fourteen grand.

It's great that you like Tony's movies and all but you don't know your facts. At all. Do some research.

Todd BrownApril 26, 2011 5:34 PM

Nothing's definite until they are on set shooting but they've got offers out to production staff.

xinoApril 26, 2011 7:22 PM

ok thanks for the insight.
damn...I didn't know it wasn't a hit in Thailand.
anyway things got f*ked up for him and you know it! The clash in Thailand between opposing forces stumbled Ong Bak 3's sale. Also the localisation was so terrible man!

People had to pirate Ong Bak 2 because they waited too long for the movie. I guess you words about Sah... spending too much money on the movie caused them not to distribute the movie to other regions.

Like i said I may be naive and you experienced in part of the other sided story. But all these incident doesn't mean Tony is a bad guy. It was his first time of making a movie, like I said before you fail the first time, get up and do better.

From your point you just make him sound like a total bad guy. You made it sound as if he went over budget on purpose, and it is wrong for him to direct Ong Bak 2. If he hadn't directed Ong Bak 2 we might get a low class story from Tom Yum Goong. Even Chocolate's story was not that good man.


Finally...The Legend is Back!:D
more knees+elbows!

MikeApril 26, 2011 7:57 PM

Cool.

Afro SamuraiApril 26, 2011 9:03 PM

Couldn't have said it better. The first Ong Bak and TYG are the best movies that Jaa has made, with both OB 2&3 being full blown disasters.

Afro SamuraiApril 26, 2011 9:12 PM

He never said Jaa was a bad guy, but face the facts, he's a great screen fighter, but he is definitely no director, not. even. close. Jaa needs to stick to fighting and leave the directing and choreography to those that are better equipped to do it.

I'm a huge Jaa fan, but his ego and pride all but killed his career. Good thing that Sammo was willing to bring him back from the grave. Otherwise he'd have been know for doing only two great movies.

And as of now Donnie Yen is head and shoulders above any other screen fighter in the business now.

RSomchaiApril 26, 2011 9:54 PM

Ok wait guys Ong Bak 2 was Thailands #1 movie of the year when it came out however 3 did not do so well as we all know, Jaa also went into Monkhood because he wanted to avoid the contract with Sahamongkol Films, in the possess of being a Monk I think Jaa had a wake up call and looked back to understand what happened. He fell out with Prachya Pinkaew because he wanted to do it his way. by doing this he hurt Pinkaew and also the film Ong Bak 2 itself, yes it was cut into two films because budget, in his Monkhood he opened his eyes to see his fults in this matter the contract with Sahamongkol Films does not end until 2012 in what month who knows? he is reparing old friendships with Sia Jing and Pinkaew and working with Thailands other top MA star JeeJa Yanin to give back to the fans, after this Jaa is moving on to upgrade to HK films working with Sommo Hung ( and when it come to Sammo Jackie is never far away) rumored to even work with Donnie Yen as well, if Jaa works with such great stunt and fight choreographers as Sammo hung his game is going to up itself about 50 times over, possibly can out do Jackie in his prime, it depends on how things play out, and if Jaa fighting choreography ups as well by working with people such as Donnie Yen this will only move him up the ladder even more, now if Jaa can make it all happen and not try to take over everything on his own again.... maybe even working with Yen Woo Ping we could be looking at Jaa surpassing all of them.... Tony Jaa very well could be the best thing the world can or ever will see on screen as a MA star...that is only if he plays his cards right... lest hope that time in the Monkhood pays off....his career is like a puzzle he just need to put it together right and not force the peaces into place.

KBApril 26, 2011 11:50 PM

Ong Bak 2 was pretty dang amazing (when it comes to the fight scenes). Ong Bak 3 was total crap. I love Tony Jaa, but I do feel like he needs to branch out just a bit. Let's face it, The Thailand movie industry is not the same as the Hong Kong movie industry. Move on and move up if you ask me. If Tony plays his cards right he could very well be one hell of a big deal across the world. Right now I do not see that happening due to his choice in movies. I mean come on, Tom Yom Goong part 2?! Really? Lame-o. Tom Yum Goong had great fight scenes for sure. But the story was absolute crap. He definitely needs to find someone who can point him in the right direction...unless the gangs already have a hold of him. And yes, organized crime is a very real problem in the film industry, especially overseas.

RSomchaiApril 27, 2011 1:19 AM

yes true Tony and his death threats .... TYG 2 may be well made as long as he is not looking for his elephants again.... i see it as more of a see you later flick to all thai film fans and his last step to moving up they gona make him speed up choreography in HK with lest dramatic screaming after every hit -- you know when he screams and just stands there lol I mean I understand why they do that, to show power but ... thats how all thai MA films and fights are, this way it s not a copy of HK films but now that HK has invited him to their party we should be blown out our seats! and as far as stunts well he will be back to them as well early Jackie and Sammo style with a thai twist. you have to admit half the stunts Jaa does Jackie could not even do Jaa is more of an acrobat then Chan.

adhiparApril 27, 2011 3:37 AM

No doubt that Jaa's presence brings lots of funtastic fights on screen. However, I hope they do major change on their usual story plot and camera works. Watching a lame story on 3D can be painful....

CuttermaranApril 27, 2011 4:24 AM

I have to say here, I loved Ong Bak 2.
The Look, the fights, the gritty setting, even the minimlistic story worked for me. It was more of an art picture and of course it had nothing to do with Ong Bak 1, as many journalist and critics may have expected it to be and were then disappointed by the fact it was only marketing (same will be with Tom Yum Goong).
To me Ong Bak2 is similliar to Mel Gibsons Apocalypto- it only has one purpose- to thrill you.
So, I'm glad Tony directed the movie and brought different sensibilities to the genre. Despite all the drama behind the scenes, at the end the movie is what counts, and Ong Bak 2 is an amazing experience.
Love it or hate it, it presents Tony on his peak.

wisekwaiApril 27, 2011 6:39 AM

Chocolate 2 was supposed to be filmed in Japan, and I've just been told the production is postponed, so it looks like TYG2 will be starting sooner rather than later. But first, they need a script.

CuttermaranApril 27, 2011 8:11 AM

Somehow It looks like Sahamongkol tries everything
To be sure being the first to bring Tony Jaa back to the screens/earn money. When the Sammo Hung movie was mentioned, Sahamongkol offered Tony Tom Yum Goong2 and they even postponed Chocolate 2. I was always sure Tony Jaa would not going to waste, so he’s still hot and it was a matter of time when the production companies would offer him a new movie.

Todd BrownApril 27, 2011 1:27 PM

Has Sahamongkol ever let the lack of a good script slow them down? It's their achilles heel ... they've got a lot of great tech crew and a lot of great talent but they never, ever put the effort into their scripts ...

RSomchaiApril 27, 2011 3:32 PM

2012 is still 7 months away or more depending on the month Jaa first signed the contract thats why they pushed back chocolate 2 because Jaas contract will end soon so the have to hurry if the want to make it, otherwise Jaas out of Sahamongkol films lol poor Jeeja got bumped out lol thats ok im sure she will be happy to finally work with Jaa if not for Tony and Ong Bak 1 i dont think Jeeja would even be a star... lol and this new guy Simon Kook is a joke lol what a copy of Tony lol and he is not even good he is slow as hell and even stole Tonys look from OB 2&3 as Tien same thing happend to Bruce Lee aftrer he died RIP but anyways Simon Kook sucks balls lol and i thought Deaw Chupong was a rip off lol Simon Kook i will forget that name in a ....wait who was i talking about? WTF Sahamongkol = Desperate

xinoApril 27, 2011 5:18 PM

and I'm sure you know more about Jaa from oversees right!?
this is why you shouldn't read media outlets man, they twist story and get you confused. Todd may have research on the processes of Jaa, however many of them are rumours, rumours he made official as if they were real. In this case is what you are starting to believe.

How do you know Jaa isn't a director? do you even know the process of directing? trust me, I've seen terrible movies and Ong Bak 2 doesn't fall into one. When you say bad directing, it means bad production, bad camera works, bad presentation of actors/actresses, bad lensing, bad storyboard etc.

Did you read my other post? Donnie Yen and Jet Li both directed their first movies however they failed just like Ong Bak 2 did in Thailand. But that doesn't mean Ong Bak 2 is a terrible movie in general, the movie just did not make enough money in Thailand, and worst yet it was one of the most pirated thai movies during release!

Pinkaew is alright at directing, but he needs to change his ways. I mean you can tell a Daniel Lee's film, since they are always having similar outcome. Same with Pinkaew, Tom Yum Goong was a good movie, however it was not good enough. Only the fight scenes stole the show.


Watching Ong Bak 2 and the camera work, I can tell Jaa had good imagination. If a person tells me that, when the camera fell down from birds eye view at the human selling scene was not badass, that person must be mad!

xinoApril 27, 2011 5:24 PM

thanks for this! you make it clear!

many media twist words and make Jaa look bad!

Pinkaw can kiss his ass man! He should give Jaa a chance to direct movies and not hug sh* to himself!

Todd BrownApril 27, 2011 6:19 PM

Directing is about a lot more than camera placement, it's about managing crew, managing a schedule and managing budget. Cronenberg is on record saying the main reason he has had such a long, prolific career is not because of talent but because he comes in on schedule and under budget. Terry Gilliam, on the other hand, has to fight for years to get a film off the ground because of a couple incidents where he didn't. It's a business and the only directors who continue to work are the ones who deliver on a business level.

And I'm really not surprised to see you telling people not to read the media. Far more convenient to just imagine whatever you like regardless of facts and figures without ever bothering to do any research. Talking to you about Tony Jaa is like talking to a twelve year old girl all worked up because someone insulted Justin Bieber.

Todd BrownApril 27, 2011 6:43 PM

Right. The guy who has produced more than twenty films and directed eight, including the ones that made Jaa's career, should kiss Tony's ass because Tony wasn't able to successfully finish one. I don't think Pinkaew's a particularly good director but at least he can finish what he starts.

xinoApril 27, 2011 8:37 PM

So what did Tony do wrong when he directed Ong Bak 2? He just went overboard with the budget, a silly mistake he was unaware of. If Sah...had supported him, the movie would have been done.
Like you claimed that Sah... sent police or thugs (which were rumours) to Tony, and caused him to hide in a cave and having a break down. How exactly would that help with directing?
Tony just wanted to make a movie in his own vision, and he delivered right, the only problem was the first half Ong Bak 2 was better while the second half Ong Bak 3 sucked.

Well you talk as if I can do some research about Tony Jaa news. If I could I would, the guy is Thai, I don't speak Thai language and I don't have many resources that covers news on Thai news. The closest is Wise Kwai. Face it, media will always twist words man, that's their job and that is why PR was created to keep words being released about a company's product to be under control because media can say a lot of stuff that are invalid or can put people off.

In your case you turn Tony Jaa like some aggressive guy, Afro Samurai reading your daily input on news on Tony Jaa got things twisted because of you. Now he thinks of Tony Jaa just like you do. I mean have you actually met the guy? how do you know he's a mess? You only perceive him from conferences not 'personally'. If you go to the bar with him or send quality time with him, you can judge the guy. But judging him by rumours and things you hear on news, PR and conferences is not the legit way of judging something.

And you don't have to insult me about Justin Bieber comment. Face it man, you dislike Tony Jaa, it is something you are so blind off that many people can see.

xinoApril 27, 2011 8:44 PM

Again being too harsh because of your grudge with Tony.

Reading your article based on this title, I did not even see you write down an appreciative comment saying that "it's good Tony is back".
Look at the comment section, it's all love for Tony being back and yours is nothing but negative about Tony.

Also when you try something new not in your field for the first time, you are bound to fail. Jeez man you should really take it easy on the guy. Donnie Yen's and Jet Li's first directed movies failed. Why aren't you talking about that yet you can judge Tony Jaa for directing Ong Bak 2?
The movie's sale was affected by piracy man. Ong Bak 3's sale was affected by Thailand riot. It's bad omen for Tony Jaa. Yet you judge him as if it's his fault.

And Ong Bak 2 was an excellent movie, I don't know what you were looking for in the movie, perhaps Jackie Chan's self stunt and circus act like many people look for in martial arts movie. Cuttermaran put the words correctly, Ong Bak 2 is like Mel Gibson's Apocalypto.

Pinkaew needs to step up his game in directing, much like Daniel Lee and Dennis S.Y need to!

xinoApril 27, 2011 8:52 PM

Ong Bak 2 was an amazing movie and I would never forget the awe experience I had when I first watched it at the cinema!

Many haters of Ong Bak 2 who enjoyed Ong Bak 1 are not martial artist fans, they simply look for deep story or love story in the movie. That is why many bad critics for Ong Bak 2 was due to the undeveloped story.
Ong Bak 2's story was generically descent, in fact the story was just beginning to develop however due to unfinished work the story was split into 2 parts.

I love Ong Bak 2, one of the best looking Thai film and one of the most expensive Thai movie. Tony jaa hired the most talented artists and photographers for the movie and that is why the movie looked this good. Even without watching it in HD, the picture quality just looked amazing.

And the casting for Ong Bak 2 was unique. Many of the actors and actresses I could never recognise them as a Thai breed.

When you watch Tom Yum Goong, it was a good movie however it tried to focus on too many characters and caused bad jumbled character development. The main star of the movie Tony Jaa did not even have a proper script role, all he ever does is beat bad guys up.

And I'm glad Tony directed Ong Bak 2, at least the movie finally focuses on the main Actor...and he does have quite a script more than Tom Yum Goong & Ong Bak.

Todd BrownApril 28, 2011 4:05 AM

I don't know Tony personally but - unlike you - i do know the entire international department of Sahamongkol Film personally. I meet with them, in person, four or five times a year. I'm on a first name basis with all of them. I've gone out for dinner with them. I've gone out for drinks with them. We've talked in depth about the Tony Jaa situation. That's why Twitch has premiered several Sahamongkol trailers including, incidentally, the market promo for Ong Bak 2.

Whether you like what I'm saying or not my opinions are based in fact, in actual events that you could go and look up if you actually cared about what happened on set. In all of my conversations with Sahamongkol NEVER ONCE have they said to me, "Hey Todd, you got that story wrong." If anything I've held back on stuff that I could have reported.

You, on the other hand, have nothing to say but "I like him, I like him, I like him." You've openly acknowledged IN THIS THREAD that you didn't know any of the actual business numbers for OB2 despite having spent a good bit of time talking about what a hit it was. We get it. You like him. But your opinion is nothing other than you liking him. Fine. I like him too. I think he's a really talented guy who was incredibly naive and grossly overestimated his own ability to direct a film and, as a consequence, he was removed from control of the production before it was finished and will very likely never be allowed to direct again. I think he's a fabulous fighter and has the makings of a great fight choreographer but I do NOT think he has anything approaching the business or management sense you need to be a successful film director. I've stated my reasons why and until you have something to say that actually addresses the FACTS of the matter beyond "I like him" I'm done talking with you.

hiroaki.jApril 28, 2011 11:12 AM

I don't know, it's been a number of years since I saw either Ong Bak 1 or 2, but my memory of Jaa's performance in them is that he lacked Jackie or say Jet Li's crispness in their prime.

xinoApril 28, 2011 2:53 PM

"I don't know Tony personally but - unlike you - i do know the entire international department of Sahamongkol Film personally. "
Nice way of filling your ego meter. So what if you know Sah film? just because you know them doesn't mean you know about Tony Jaa. It just shows we are on the same boat.

"You, on the other hand, have nothing to say but "I like him, I like him, I like him." You've openly acknowledged IN THIS THREAD that you didn't know any of the actual business numbers for OB2 de..."
There's a BIG meaning to the word 'supporting'. The press media, all they ever do is twist words and make your name look bad in order to get hits, that is what they are known for and good at. I like Tony Jaa..it's a fact I won't hide it. Just because he f*ked up Ong Bak 2/3 production doesn't mean I need to place a grudge against him like you do. You make the guy sound so bad just for his decision making the movie.
Look around you man...this news is a positive for everyone, people love Tony Jaa. And journalist like you only regard him for the Ong Bak 2 production incident.
You go on about Ong Bak 2 was a failure...in terms of production and marketing yes it did fail. However in terms of movie quality, it's actually a great movie and FAR from garbage.

Here is where the positive part comes in place. Me saying, 'I like him' is good towards Tony Jaa. Because I support him, with my support he will continue to make martial arts movies. When you are typing negative things about him, how would he get the support to make martial arts movies?
"oh Donnie Yen is the best", sure he is but he is getting old and he won't make movies forever. Yanin would want to play other roles in movies apart from martial arts.
I love martial arts movies man and anyone that shows talent and passion in that field I will always support them.

It's better to be positive than to be negative...oh I forgot that journalist wouldn't get that meaning right since they are all good at posting negative things about celebrities.

" think he's a really talented guy who was incredibly naive and grossly overestimated his own ability to direct a film and, as a consequence, he was removed from control of the production before it was finished and will very likely never be allowed to direct again."
Same can be said to Donnie Yen & Jet Li's failed at directing. Stop acting as if Tony's direction role of Ong Bak 2 is the Armageddon.


" I've stated my reasons why and until you have something to say that actually addresses the FACTS of the matter beyond "I like him" I'm done talking with you."

hmmm...it's funny isn't it that Sah... backed up Tony to direct Ong Bak 2. Of course Tony Jaa is not a director, neither are Donnie Yen nor Jet Li. However people need to try something new for once.
It's always good to try something new and in business you would have to take risk!
Sah.... took risk and backed up Tony to direct Ong Bak 2. Tony just couldn't handle the whole pressure of directing. The movie marketing failed however movie quality did not.


I just don't know your beef with Tony, all you ever talk about is the Ong Bak 2 incident. Perhaps when Tom Yum Goong 2 comes out you would stop talking about that cliche incident that many journalist always references to.

Todd BrownApril 28, 2011 6:40 PM

Yes, clearly we are in exactly 'the same boat', other than that I get my information directly from the company that financed and produced the film and take the time to get facts straight and numbers correct before speaking in public about it, while you pull shit out of the air while accusing anyone who disagrees with you of distorting facts and having some hidden agenda.

The only person I dislike in this conversation is you.

RSomchaiApril 28, 2011 8:09 PM

oh and we should all thank TWITCH for the news, so thanks :)

xinoApril 29, 2011 12:04 PM

So if you don't know Tony personality, how exactly are these words coming from your accurate: "Jaa would crumble badly under the pressure of directing Ong Bak 2 himself," "Ong Bak 2 debacle Jaa took refuge in a police station claiming that the studio had sent gangsters after him and, ".
Didn't you tell me that Jaa taking refuge was just a rumour? why would Jaa want to crumble?


The problem here is that, every article about Tony Jaa; I always show my love and support to him and that must be getting under your skin.

You are saying I'm accusing people who disagrees with me. When?
All I'm saying is that you have a grudge with Tony and making him look bad in articles just like how many media does:

-"then came back out of shape, had a crying fit on national television and ran to the police with delusions that he was being followed by gangsters. ", " The guy was a complete and utter mess on any level you care to look at it.", "Tony effectively blew up his career with OB2. He destroyed personal relationships at home by insisting on directing it himself, then blew up business relationships by failing to deliver and absolutely destroying his own public image with his erratic behavior.".
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Nothing but opinion and twisted words!
how exactly are they true? if he came back out of shape doesn't that mean he needs to workout for a month to get back in shape? was he really crying during the conference? wasn't the gangster thing a rumour? How did he blew up his career? he just turned to a monk and if he did blew up his career how exactly would he had gotten a deal with Sammo?


I think you are the one with the problem here not me, you were also aggressive towards me and insulting me. And what shit am I pulling out of my ass?
*Ong Bak 2 the most pirated movie?
*Ong Bak 2 the most expensive movie?
*Ong Bak 2 was not a failure as a movie but was a failure in production and marketing
*Jet Li & Donnie Yen's first movie were a failure.
*Ong Bak 3 failed badly due to crash riot in Thailand

So...all my allegations are false and where just shit I made up right?
Worst yet you took offence when I said Pinkaew can kiss his ass and allow Jaa to direct a film. No I think clearly you are the one with the problem and need to chill out!

I guess if Tony Jaa blew up his career, fans here would not praise him for his return. I guess if Ong Bak 2 was a bad failure, many fans would not point out how great the movie was. I read your review for Ong Bak 2 and you did not like it much like how the press didn't like it.

Face it man, ONLY the media regards Jaa as a failure with the Ong Bak 2 incident. Many fans do know know Jaa and recognise him of that! All they care about is for his return. Journalist like you only look at Jaa and distinguish him for the Ong Bak 2 incident.

-"The only person I dislike in this conversation is you".-
Good for you and good luck with that, I'm not the one with ego problems.
I'll keep showing my support to Tony and every other martial artist, whether you like it or not!

Todd BrownApril 29, 2011 12:47 PM

You have to be kidding. Either that or you're utterly delusional.

Tony Jas disappeared from his own film set for TWO MONTHS without warning and without telling anyone where he was going, leaving Sahamongkol to continuing paying a crew who could not work because the film's star and director had abandoned them. What would you call that BUT crumbling!?! They had to send Panna Rittikrai to go and find him in person because he was completely unreachable.

The crying press conference was on national TV when he returned.

The only 'rumor' about the gangsters is whether there actually were any ... That Tony BELIEVED there were and hid ina police station is also public knowledge, covered on national television. The head of Dahamongkol had to meet with Jaa in the police station to get him to come back to work.

Christ, man, Google. Try it some time.

Todd BrownApril 29, 2011 12:49 PM

(any typos due to tiny iPhone buttons)

hiroaki.jApril 29, 2011 7:00 PM

You must be going for sainthood.

xinoMay 1, 2011 4:17 PM

why do you keep saying Google!?

have you even googled any of the info yourself?
I get all Jaa news and Asia movies news from Twitch and Wise Kwai.
Even though I check other websites, those sites are linked to Twitch or Wise kwai.

So I don't know why you keep referring me to Google. It's either you know Twitch always brings news about Jaa and Asia movie industry news thus you want me to know that this place is the no1 source or you get your info from Google:/


Anyway let's drop this.
Tony Jaa is back: "JAA IS BACK!"
That is all that matters!
And what we've all wanted from day 1: Tony & Jija working together.
As long as the movie has a good script, which is something Pinkaew is not good at, much like Dennis S Y films:/

https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawkKIfIRq4T8wdtCh1j0C6_5HDJ5XVN4imAJune 3, 2011 1:48 PM

Ok so I know this is months late . . but why are people throwing a huge fit and arguing about Tony Jaa's career? Aren't we all at least a little excited for this film? I could care less about the financial troubles that went down and the bad blood between Jaa and Pinkaew these last couple years . . I still loved Ong Bak 2 (and 3) and I still love Jaa and Pinkaew and Rittikrai and Sahamongkol films and everyone else. Tony Jaa is a fantastic martial artist and he made great movies. Pinkaew made great movies too. I'm a huge fan of these guys. For me, it's not really about what goes down behind the scenes. I don't really see how Jaa ruined his career . . I thought Ong Bak 2 and 3 were fucking fantastic. 2 was unbelievable . . probably one of my favorite martial arts / action films EVER. 3 was still great. For me it was more like a piece of artwork. Not as good but still took me on a trip. I'm sure this one will be great too. We all fuck up sometimes. That's in the past now. I just want to watch the damn movie.

MitchellJuly 9, 2012 9:48 PM

C'ant wait ofcourse! I Look forward to seeing more from Chupong Changprung... I mean... he did basically share the spotlight with Tony in Ong Bak3 as crow. The best villain & actor in Jaa's movies besides himself since Panna!