Whither Tony Jaa And TOM YUM GOONG 2?

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Whither Tony Jaa And TOM YUM GOONG 2?
More than eight months after principal photography began, the questions are starting to pop up with increasing regularity: Where is Tony Jaa's Tom Yum Goong 2? And why has not a single scrap of footage or even any still images been released yet? The answer, in short, is get ready to wait a while longer. The originally planned 2012 release date? Not going to happen. No chance.

For those unfamiliar with the back story, there is quite a lot riding on this film both for Jaa and production house Sahamongkol Film. Jaa's directorial debut, Ong Bak 2, was an utter disaster behind the scenes to the degree that control of the production was taken away from the star deep into production and handed to Panna Rittikrai with the script re-written and the film split into two parts in a desperate attempt to salvage the costs of a production that had run horribly over schedule and over budget. It didn't work. Ong Bak 2 and 3 were financial as well as critical failures with Jaa - at one point the shining star not only of Sahamongkol's stable but of the Thai industry as a whole - left with his reputation in absolute tatters thanks to his on-set meltdown and literally months-long disappearance in the middle of production.

But Jaa was a huge star and money maker for Sahamongkol once and maybe he could be again. And so when the studio saw an opportunity to slip one final Jaa star vehicle in before the end of his long term contract with the studio they jumped at it, canceling - or at least indefinitely postponing - the already announced production of Jija Yanin's Chocolate 2 to launch Tom Yum Goong 2 - a sequel to Jaa's biggest hit - instead.

The plan - sensibly - was to offer lots of supports. Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong director Prachya Pinkaew was back at the controls with Jaa's mentor Panna Rittikrai handling the fight choreography. And backing Jaa up on screen was the full Sahamongkol stable of screen fighters with Dan Chupong, Jija Yanin and Kazu Tang all in the cast. Production began in August with a 2012 release planned and then ... nothing.

The flooding that hit Thailand in late 2011 has certainly had an impact but, wait, things are about to get weird in Jaa-land again.

Thailand's The Nation newspaper has announced - and published a copy of the invite to back it up - that Tony Jaa is getting married to his girlfriend of three years. Which is great. Good for him. Except he's doing it on May 3rd. In the middle of production of Tom Yum Goong 2. Further, they report - as though this is a good thing, weirdly - that the film is only 40% of the way through production at present. Yes, you read that correctly: More than eight months since photography began less than half of Tom Yum Goong 2 is in the can, meaning the film is now radically behind schedule and, therefore, over budget. Even if they race through the remaining production there is virtually no chance that the film will be through post production on time to release in 2012. Mid 2013 is now looking far more likely and, should they maintain the current snail's pace on production that would extend the shooting out for another full year.

The truly shocking thing here, though is this: What kind of star steps away from a production already badly over schedule for any reason short of a death? This film could literally be Jaa's last kick at it in Thailand, should it fail, and the lack of focus and dedication to making it work is simply staggering. His head, clearly, is not in the filming. To be this badly behind already suggests that even beyond the problems caused by the floods this is a film that was rushed into production before it was ready. To run this long and accomplish this little says clearly that the advance preparation was simply not done or, alternately, that things simply aren't working on set and are needing to be changed as they go. Throw in a lead actor planning a wedding when he should be training and it's not a pretty picture ...
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Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 2:36 PM

To head off the questions before they come:

Speaking as a fan I love Ong Bak and TYG and think Jaa is a phenomenal talent. I want this to be good, very badly.

But if I put my producer's hat on, I would never, ever work with this guy given how badly Ong Bak 2 went on set and now how wildly over schedule this one is. He needs a string of good projects in a row to prove that he can be focused and deliver before I would even consider it. A string being at least three, preferably five.

His contract with Sahamongkol is up after this film and I can't imagine them - or any one else there - giving him a shot on anything of this scale for a very, very long time. He's gone from being a star to being an absolute cash-sink.

QinlongApril 26, 2012 3:44 PM

Personnally I don't really care about Jaa : though he's capable (or at least was capable) of unbelievable things, he's not much of an actor, and much more importantly, doesn't exactly ooze charisma... I never really bought into that "new martial arts superstar" buzz.

FiveVenomsApril 26, 2012 3:45 PM

Frankly I'm kind of surprised that people didn't start banking on Dan Chupong, although he is a little fresh-faced compared to Jaa. That aside though, he's certainly showed he has the physical chops to keep up with most of the crazier choreography coming through Thailand, even if he's possibly not quite up to Jaa's level. Eh.

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 3:57 PM

I have NEVER understood why they didn't throw their support more solidly behind Chupong. He's so much more fun, has a lot more charisma and - most importantly - really understands his role as an entertainer. I compare Chupong / Jaa to Jackie Chan / Jet Li but after those first couple film Sahamongkol has never had any faith in him. Too bad ... I think BORN TO FIGHT is the best thing to come out of the Thai action wave.

marleydiditApril 26, 2012 4:03 PM

i say "RERAX!!!" if the head of the film studio is presiding over the wedding, clearly he's satisfied with where they are in the production. i have relatives in thailand and they are STILL cleaning up the mess after the floods... BUT monsoon season starts in couple weeks, so if you think they're behind now...

and lets not kid ourselves here, we dont watch Jaa movies for his "charisma", we watch them for his ass-kicking abilities...

xinoApril 26, 2012 4:09 PM

after you kept smashing Tony Jaa's name in your previous articles, why would Tony Jaa show his face online? lol

The movie is coming man, I am patiently waiting for the sick film! Ong Bak 2 was amazing and I love watching it on bluray!

News has it that Tony Jaa is getting married this May.

waiting for this sick movie!:)

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 4:11 PM

The studio is putting a brave face on it because they have no other option. They still have to sell this thing internationally if they're going to break even and after Ong Bak 2 / Ong Bak 3 - which saw numerous international buyers (including the Weinstein Co on a very lucrative deal) - cancel their contracts because of Jaa's on set meltdown there they cannot allow any sort of hint that something is wrong.

Bangkok has been largely back to work for months now, the floods are no excuse. And, for the record, a typical production cycle for this sort of film is around two months. They are way, way, WAY over that and nowhere close to finished. Something is badly wrong.

And I really hope for your sake that that 'rerax' was a typo and not an attempt at an "asian" accent. But given how far the l is from the r that seems unlikely ...

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 4:12 PM

If by 'smashing' you mean reporting what actually happened, then sure. We've been over this before.

marleydiditApril 26, 2012 4:18 PM

i'm half asian so i'm allowed. floods are no excuse? wow, how insensitive of you... clearly you have never been in one, lost loved ones in one, or had to rebuild a life after one... just wow...

marleydiditApril 26, 2012 4:26 PM

funny how many people said Robert Downey Jr would never work in Hollywood again after he went to prison, and just look at him now... i am of the opinion that everyone deserves a 2nd chance, on set meltdowns or not... clearly Todd likes to bash Jaa to distract everyone away from the fact that Merantau was a total ripoff of Ong Bak, and wants to discredit him at every opportunity, like he's done in this post. yeah i said it... #trolling

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 4:38 PM

Here's what I know based on direct conversations with people at Sahamongkol: They were shooting for a long time before the floods. They've been shooting for a long time since the floods. They were badly over schedule even without the floods. And in this person's opinion, there was no reason to shut down at all because of the floods. That was someone from Sahamongkol who knows the ins and outs of the actual production. So, yeah. The floods are not a valid excuse for the delay. the core issues were there before the flood and continue to be there after the flood, the flood just added a bit of time. Take the flood out of the picture and they would still be horribly over schedule and over budget. So no, the floods are not a valid excuse.

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 4:42 PM

Downey had to prove himself - on TV, on a show where the producer had to personally vouch for the financial risk - and spend several years away from studio features because he was literally uninsurable.

I'm not saying there's no path for Tony to come back. I am saying that he's going to have to take a major step down in the star system to do it and he will have to re-earn the trust of the people signing his pay checks. And right now, I honestly don't think his heart's in it. And I personally would not hire him until he has proven that he's reliable and able to focus exclusively on the task at hand. I certainly wouldn't give him the lead of a high priced feature when he now has a record of more films going over schedule and over budget than he does of films coming in as planned.


Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 4:44 PM

And, really? You want to argue that you're 'allowed' to play up shitty stereotypes? "Hey, look! That guy talks funny! He's wacky!"

marleydiditApril 26, 2012 4:45 PM

point taken, but i think you've missed another element (that takes WAY MORE than 2 months to properly produce): weren't they filining this in 3D? which sahmangkol has never done before... you can't blame that on Tony, unless it was his idea (and it wasn't, it was the studio's actually)...

marleydiditApril 26, 2012 4:49 PM

yes, all my friends laugh when i talk/type like that... one man's shitty stereotype is another man's amusement... #lightenupfrancis

marleydiditApril 26, 2012 4:56 PM

clearly you're not including the canon of films BEFORE ong bak with Panna, lol. #youaintseennothingyet

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 5:00 PM

I've seen at least ten of Panna's pre-Ong Bak films, actually. I love them in a very trashy, lo-fi sort of way.

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 5:06 PM

3D adds some but mostly in post, actually. The current rigs are actually very light and mobile. I'm not sure what they're using but the standard on films this scale these days is a pair or RED Epic cams linked together. You can use normal rigs on those, no problem. You would expect some delays due to the 3D but nothing on this scale if proper camera tests had been done in pre-production, either for this or Chocolate 2, which Prachya was also supposed to shoot in 3D.

Look at it this way. The time it has taken to shoot 40% of this movie is rivaling - if not beating, actually, I'd need to check - the ENTIRE production period for Guillermo Del Toro's PACIFIC RIM, which I pick just because it happens to be shooting in town. You think it makes sense that a no wires, no CGI, all in camera fight film is taking longer to make than a giant robots versus kaiju special effects extravaganza? Who do you think it takes more time to set up a shot? Who do you think needs more shots to composite elements together? Yeah, Guillermo has more budget and a big crew but he also shoots EVERYTHING himself. No second unit. Every set up, every frame he supervises and directs himself. Who's got more slates to shoot, Guillermo or Prachya? Prachya's just not getting it done.

ChevalierAguilaApril 26, 2012 5:07 PM

We just don't know why the production is so far behind schedule, this time Jaa is not directing the movie, so the one under watch should be the studio, not him. Why wait for an already delayed project to finish to get married? Not saying is the best thing to do, but neither the worst. So, in other words Todd, you just can't deny you are always eager to take a shot at Tony for whatever reason it might be. I think i know why, but i'd rather not post it here.

MattApril 26, 2012 5:14 PM

Seems like you're putting this on Jaa, but other than restating the disaster of Ong Bak 2's production and the fact that he's getting married in the middle of a production that has already eaten up 8 months with no end in sight I'm not seeing any evidence that the delay is because of him. Apocalypse Now didn't stretch into 18 months because of Marlon Brando, no matter how much of a nightmare he was to work with. Is there any other info that puts it on him?

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 5:31 PM

Where exactly did I say the delays so far are on Tony? I said the film is hugely over schedule - which it is - and that I'm shocked he's taking time off given that fact - which I am. I think it's unprofessional and irresponsible at best, and part of a pattern of behavior that started with OB2, at worst.

There are only three real options for the delay, though. Tony, Prachya - or some combination, their relationship was BAD around Ong Bak 2 - or someone has gotten hurt and they've done a remarkably good job of keeping it quiet. Everybody else involved are moving parts that could be replaced, if need be.

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 5:35 PM

Were we 'eager' to take a shot at Donnie Yen and Vincent Zhao on their film when that all blew up? It's called news, no need to read more into it. I'm actually very friendly with a lot of people at Sahamongkol and have been an outspoken supporter of their films for YEARS. Doesn't mean things are going any better on this set than they are, though. Shit happens.

TimmyApril 26, 2012 6:25 PM

Are you surprised it takes this long? lol Come on this is typical thai sahmonkol/baramewe style...

Ong Bak how long did it take? Years
Tom Yum goong? Years
Ong Bak 2? Years
Ong bak 3 was the only one that was remarkabel fast, but they used a lot of footage from number 2 so no excuses there lol And thats just Tony Jaas movies.

Powerkids took years they even had problems cause the kid grew during the shooting lol
Chocolate took years

Here is the problem with these productions...
They dont have a script usually. They write it as they are shooting and Im not joking.

The people around the production dont know what to do, they dont know their tasks. They wait until someone will do it for them.

Whats sad is that shooting-wise these kind of movies would take 2 maximum 3months to shoot. But since they cant plan nor decide, it takes them 2-3years!

Tyg2 will come out for sure, but it will take a while just as the other movies did. And who cares? Tony Jaa was/is an awesome screenfighter/actor...But he's not intressting cause it takes him 5years to do a movie. Thats just the way it works. As the thai people would say Jai yen yen lol

xinoApril 26, 2012 6:30 PM

I will keep defending Tony Jaa as if he's my bread and butter!
By the way Todd, what happened to that guy who looks exactly like Tony Jaa, he made a short movie called Microchip I think. His name is Samuel kook.

You just love bashing Tony Jaa, you even did so on this article, you just hate the fact that Tony Jaa directed Ong Bak 2 and told Panna to keep off. I say GOOD! Let a super star actor direct a movie from their vision. Whether it fails or not, they will learn.

We all learn from our mistake man! Soon Iko will tell Gareth to p*ss off because he too wants to direct his own movie. What do you have to say about that when that happens Todd? :)

marleydiditApril 26, 2012 6:32 PM

or "mai penh rai"!! (no probLem). i forgot that Ong Bak was nearly 4 years in the making, so this is par for the course...

marleydiditApril 26, 2012 6:42 PM

"where exactly" you ask? this part rught here: "The truly shocking thing here, though is this: What kind of star steps away from a production already badly over schedule for any reason short of a death?" #stoptalkingoutofbothsidesofyourmouth ;)

AndrewApril 26, 2012 7:07 PM

I find it very ridiculous and ignorant of people to accuse Todd of "bashing" Jaa. Not once has he taken pot shots at him, and the news of Tony Jaa has spoken for itself.

I would love for Tony Jaa to get his career back on track, but it's stupid to deny that there aren't any serious problems in this current production. It's possible that if this movie ever comes out, it will be cool, but this bit of news is not encouraging.

Raging Phoenix was the last Thai martial arts film that I enjoyed, and nowadays, it seems like Indonesia has taken the reigns away from Thailand. The Raid was what Bangkok Knockout should have been.

I like Dan Chupong, but Born to Fight was too much of a "spotfest." Instead of being a great flow of fight scenes, it was like a series of individual stunts and show-offs taking turns. Dan really deserves better.

Thai cinema really needs to remind film goers that they are a force to be reckoned with.

DooKApril 26, 2012 8:29 PM

Yeah, all accusations toward Todd makes no sense. From a personal and professional standpoint, he's very much on point with the production of TYG 2. Relax guys.

As far Jaa, I haven't cared too much either since Ong Bak 2 (the best and last great Thai action film imo). In terms of production values, the quality has dropped drastically in the last four years and the filmmakers seem to only care about the action than on everything in productions.

Todd BrownApril 26, 2012 8:30 PM

Errr ... How exactly does that say Tony is responsible for the delays? It says I'm shocked he's taking time off a movie that is already delayed. Which is exactly what I said above. #learntoread

icn1983April 26, 2012 8:38 PM

Timmy sounds like actually might know what he's talking about.

adhiparApril 26, 2012 11:02 PM

I have looked around searching news about TYG2 and Jaa's wedding (wow, she's beautiful and the 36-years old Jaa has dating her since she was 19?)

As I have experienced floods myself, it will take months to recover, they have to wait or to re-shoot due to change of nature. So, 40% done is tolerable (probably all indoor scenes). I dont see domestic fans are complaining yet, so II think it's a bit early to say that TYG2 was delayed and moreover, it's all because of Jaa's bad professionalism - cause everybody and primarily Jaa know that he should redeem himself, that this is his one chance to rise again - unless he is just a guy who realizes that while he loves (or need job) to work in film industry, being a star is too much to handle.

Let's wait until mid 2012, when lots of people will start asking questions.

BtoFuApril 27, 2012 12:31 AM

Still pining for BKO-level goodness. At the very least in the only department that actually matters. It's sad to hear about the apparent floundering around the film, but the prospect of all that talent coming together still has me checking out Twitch every day (as one does) and hoping for some production stills or tv spots to pop into existence. I can wait a while longer provided they pull out all the stops and waste a lot of time in trying to ensure this beast delivers. Which is what damage control is all about afterall. That should be the english title for the film in fact.

MattApril 27, 2012 12:44 AM

Hi Todd. I said it had seemed like you were putting it on Jaa, not that you had said it. Your article discusses the fact that this shoot has gone on forever, the problems with Jaa on past movies and the fact that he is taking time during production to get married....it seemed like your implication was that this was another case of Jaa possibly causing delays, which is why I was wondering if there was any more info to that effect.

MattApril 27, 2012 12:49 AM

Well that explains why so many of them are a bunch of awesome fight scenes surrounded by an unwatchable movie. No scripts, brilliant way to do it...I had forgotten that the others took so long as well.

Todd BrownApril 27, 2012 12:59 AM

Tony wanted nothing to do with Prachya, not Panna. Panna and Tony have remained close all along while Tony and Prachya were not on speaking terms for a good while around Ong Bak 2. Get your facts straight.

As for Iko directing, he probably will want to some day. He's a smart, articulate guy. If / when that day comes I would advise him to surround himself with as large and experienced a support group as he possibly can to fill in the gaps in his knowledge. And should he fail or refuse to do that - as Tony did - and then crumble under the pressure and run away from his own movie set to hide for two months, I would report that he crumbled under the pressure and ran away to hide for two months.

Todd BrownApril 27, 2012 1:04 AM

Damage Control would be a pretty awesome title for an action film ... I like it ...

TimmyApril 27, 2012 5:54 AM

Regarding the flood problem...come on guys you belive that? There were some problems with the water yes, but it was not everywhere in bangkok. Some areas had more some had less some had nothing at all. Thats just a bad excuse, is it true that they used that excuse???. I know other movies shot during that period in bangkok. And I have a hard time beliving they had to be on the streets of bangkok 90% of the shoot lol

I've worked in the thai industry for a long time as a foreginer and everytime I work with them I get chocked over the stupidity.

About Tony Jaa to reedem himself to rise again. Honestly I dont think he cares. He never expected to be this big and sucessful. He was just a regular thai stuntman with a lot of talent that loved movies and one day got one good opertunity. That became a sucess.

After that everyone wanted a pice of him. Panna, Prachaya, Sie jaa all of them understood what a money machine he was. And it all just got to much pressure to many people wanting to use him including his family. He had a contract with sahmonkol that controlled him, held him back. It all just backfired the wrong way. He just dont seems to be happy and I think he seeks a lot of comfort in the Buddhism culture, what other superstar would do his Monk time during his pride?

He even reported to the police station that he was followed and monetured by sahmonkol's men, he dissapeard in the jungle so sit and meditate in a cave during ong bak 2. He went up in the Tv and cried how bad he was treateed. I feel sorry for the guy. He probably wanted to make it but he didnt expect the bad side of the thai industy.

So everybody complaining about Tony Jaa is not a guy they would dare to invest in, think again. Everything is not what it seems. How would you behave? I think it would be a lot diffrent if another production company outside thailand used him.

I've heard a lot of rumours about Jaa wanting to make other movies outside but everytime Sahmonkol has turned it down with or without threats.

Thai industy and Tony Jaa is just a mess.

RSomchaiApril 27, 2012 6:30 AM

Todd Brown your a Jaa hater you have been picking the guy apart for a long time now. Deaw Chupong why dont they go with him? Because no one cares for him in Thailand and he does not have the skills that Jaa does Tony Jaa's fame is because his fans are loyal to him. They dont stab him in the back whenever they see a chance or treat him like Amy Winehouse. The people around him let him go to get married because they care for him like family. This is a Thai persons way of life family first. he is almost done with Sahamongkol and im sure will branch out more in times a head no he will not have freedom for mistakes or vacations as he does with Sahamongkol he should not expect to. You are putting all this on him personally when its Sia Jing and Sahamongkol film that have given him this freedom. whether you like it or not Tony Jaa is one of the top Martial Artist in films today and with or without your consent will continue to be. after all is said and done Jaa clearly dose not even want to work out of Thailand anymore look at his face in the photos you have posted he dont look happy there is so much more he can do after this outside of Thailand but for now he is resticted Li, Chan & Yen have all had not so great films but we always gave them a chance to rise again so why do people want to kick Jaa when he is down. What fan does that???

SnailApril 27, 2012 7:10 AM

They cancelled 'Chocolate 2' in favor of TYG 2? Jaa must be holding strong ties with someone highly influential as this move barely makes any sense.

I never bought into the hype. Jaa is physically talented, but his on-screen charisma is stale, if not non-existent.

Jija Yanin over Tony Jaa any day. Just step away Jaa.

SnailApril 27, 2012 7:14 AM

Li, Chan, and Yen have proven their worth time and time again. When it was time for Jaa to take on the reigns, he failed miserably.

The proof is in the puddin'.

Todd BrownApril 27, 2012 9:57 AM

Okay, so you're saying I'm a 'hater' for saying that Tony's heart isn't it and questioning his dedication to the film, then you immediately say that his heart isn't in it and he wants out. Yeah, that makes sense ...

RSomchaiApril 27, 2012 2:11 PM

No im saying that coz it seems you bury the guy every time you talk about him. You say he is fallen but but to where? I mean people are still going to see this regardless when it comes out. I mean there is alot of assumptions going on here about whats going on and no one really knows. I didnt say anything regarding you quoting his heart not being in it, thats not at all what im saying sure maybe your right like i said. he dont look happy and wants out. why i said Jaa hater is coz it seems you just dont like the guy personalty based on what you write about him, your always bashing him. I mean if people dont like his films then why write, talk or even watch them?

RSomchaiApril 27, 2012 2:14 PM

Who needs enemy's when they got fans like this?

marleydiditApril 27, 2012 2:42 PM

"geng" somechai, i agree with everything you say. obviously i'm not the only one who sees Todd's contempt for Tony while he says he's "reporting"... its not what you say, its how you say it... and with all due respect, i've been a fan of twitch since Todd was the only author, and i'm grateful for all the under the radar flicks like Norwegian Ninja, Chocolate, BKO, etc. - the good thing about spirited debates like this is we are all entitled to our own opinions and can agree to disagree, i will still check this blog every day as long as movies like this are being made... have a great weekend everyone! ~sawadee krahp, *gope noi*

AnanggaApril 27, 2012 3:09 PM

Come on now bud, Todd doesn't hate him nor his films, he just implies, with the production waaay behind the schedule, Jaa's decision to have a wedding is um...how should I say it, illogical.

I couldn't do that at my company or I have to face at least a warning from my boss if we are schedule tight AND waay behind the schedule with any project, especially when I'm in an important position for that project. And I also feels like I'm running away from my responsibility and I would be very ashamed inside.

I really would love to see both Iko and Tony in one epic trans-border movie and I hope that one day Todd with his producer hat could give Tony a second chance to do this epic trans-border movie with Gareth and Iko :) . That guy really needs a good director which can bring his inner emotion out and not only an angry stare on screen.

Come on now, Iko covered the gravity low-ground stance base, Tony's with his high-ground base, who wouldn't wanna see that ?

AnanggaApril 27, 2012 3:27 PM

I think it's just the way we interpret how Todd's thinking is different. I see the article as a way a manager think about responsibility in a job, any kind of job. You took the job, you know the risk, you know your own responsibility, problems came ? eat it and stay with your responsibility.

While that sounds harsh for some people, but that's how the industry works.

From a fan point of view, I personally thinks the article is a form to express a frustration about an Idol whose gone from a Hero to not-so-a-hero. I want Jaa back to his former glory, I missed him.

RSomchaiApril 27, 2012 3:55 PM

well its like marleydidit said its not only what you say its how you say it. Its like implying Jaa's career is at its end, really all im saying is that Sahamongkol said {hey dude you want some time to get married, ok go for it.} so its on Sahamongkol not so much Jaa's responsibility hes just an actor at this point. i mean people are open to their own opinion and yeah Jaa needs to pick himself up after Ong Bak 3 it just seems like as soon as there is any kind of opening people are so eager to kick his feet out from under him.

MartenApril 27, 2012 4:33 PM

Is it full moon tonight?! Because the petulant trolls are out in droves today.

xinoApril 27, 2012 5:26 PM

You really hate Tony Jaa don't you?
remember you need to listen to everyone's side of story instead of listening to only groups story or 1 person's story. Who knows Panna and Prak may have said something about Tony Jaa's mom, who knows man.

Funny how you are saying all those sweet words that would describe Iko but not Tony. So if all the stuff that happened to Tony also happened to Iko, would you bash Iko as much as you did to Tony? I don't think so.
also Tony was surrounded by Thailand's best and talented movie creators and actors and actresses. The movie was amazing, may be a disaster to your eyes, but as many fans of martial artists who loves Martial arts movies would consider Ong Bak 2 being one of the best out there.

Seriously do people want a Shakespear story included in Ong Bak 2? gtfo please. For any martial arts movies out there, we only need a decent understandable story, however the meat of the movie is fighting! People who complained about Ong Bak 2 are not real martial arts lovers as they bash the movie for it's story.

IlyaApril 27, 2012 9:12 PM

Ong Bak 2.

QinlongApril 28, 2012 8:55 AM

But the real question is : will that delay the TEKKEN prequel Pinkaew is supposed to shoot ?

BlackDragonBudoApril 28, 2012 6:41 PM

Todd Brown, you crack me up man. You're not taking "pot shots" at Tony Jaa and Sahamongkol, but there is a difference between reporting information and relaying it with an ulterior motive, which you seemingly have. It may not even be your fault though. Since there's only a handful of people between Sahamongkol/Baa Ram Ewe, I could probably guess who you're in connection with and the reasoning you're fed such negative information. Either your connections didn't tell you about ALL the ongoings that are understandable to most anyone, or you failed to leave them out. You really seem to have an agenda with how negative you're relaying this information and if you're the same Todd Brown that has executive producer credit on The Raid: Redemption, then it might become a little more clear why you're subtly dragging names through the mud. The reality is, this film will get made when it gets made and when it comes out, people will forget how long it took to make and just love it.

It's also a shame that you didn't mention Marrese Crump, who has been billed as the main costar of the film. However, given your "reporting" history of such negative views on Tony Jaa/Sahamongkol and related topics, it'd probably be best for you to keep his name out of your mouth and out of your articles altogether anyway.

BlackDragonBudoApril 28, 2012 7:09 PM

Also, has anyone stopped to think that Tony's wedding was planned and scheduled long before shooting was even announced as started back in August? Are you going to tell your lead actor he can't get married when it was planned way before because of setbacks that were out of his control? That's not how Thailand is and that's not how the rest of the world should be. And reading more into your comments about what your connection says about what filming happened before the floods and how the floods weren't even a factor? It's all just so wrong. Blatantly wrong. There is clearly an agenda here with all this negativity.

RSomchaiApril 29, 2012 3:13 AM

This is what Im seeing, Im not trolling here, Im discussing. I read Twitch all the time however yeah. it seems there is a agenda but Im just the reader, not really my business. Im happy to see the south rise in Martial Arts flicks and hope to continue to see them grow. Both from Thailand and Indonesia.

AnanggaApril 29, 2012 11:28 AM

Don't forget the Philippinos Rick, that Kali's stick fighting style ? that would be bad ass if we convert those sticks with baton or any other means available

RSomchaiApril 29, 2012 4:49 PM

Yeah Im open to all new styles of Martial Arts no offense to China but I would rather see new fresh styles and culture as well, I know Ong Bak 3 was mehhh but thats the one thing the film had was culture and for that i did enjoy watching also Murantau shared a little as well when you add culture it feel so rich and new.

Todd BrownApril 29, 2012 5:59 PM

I didn't mention Marrese, frankly, because he has a pretty well established history of sending out press releases announcing himself as the star of movies that never actually get made and / or greatly overstating his involvement in the projects that he does work on. So I take any information about Marrese with a great big grain of salt and will do so until one of these things actually releases and we can see him in action. He's been proclaiming himself the next big thing in martial arts for a few years now and the only things that he has appeared in that have actually released so far are a GI Joe fan film short and a bad DTV project in which he has sixteenth billing. And that's it. Sorry if I don't consider those to put him on the same tier as Tony Jaa, Dan Chupong and Jija Yanin who have all anchored major, successful films.

Maybe Marrese will turn out to be the real thing - and good for him if he does - but right now he's just a lot of noise.

As for the idea that I have any sort of agenda, sure I do. I have an agenda against movies that can't even get half way through production in eight months. That's a shitty, poorly run production by any standard. The idea that my involvement with The Raid would have any bearing here would only hold water if I was of the opinion that there can only be one major action star in the world and therefore I should smear all others to support Iko. Which I think is complete and utter shit. I think the more top tier fighters there are on screen, the better. In the case of Tony, it's perfectly clear that his rise led directly to Donnie Yen stepping up his game and producing what I believe is far and away the best string of titles in his career. Donnie is on record saying so. Ong Bak's success also led directly to the rise of Dan Chupong and Jija Yanin. Sahamongkol seem to think that Tony and Dan are in competition - which is why Dan doesn't get the big leads - which is too bad, but Tony's rise and success has led to more good things, not less. And it's always that way. And one of the things that I really love about The Raid is specifically that it's not just Iko's show - it also showcases Yayan Ruhian and Joe Taslim, both of whom have projects being developed for them, some of which are outside of The Raid team's control, and I think that's great.

I don't believe there is any competition here between any of the big screen fighters. I believe it's a case of a rising tide ... the more quality there is from any fighter or any quarter, the more the genre is elevated as a whole. It's good for everyone.

And, Anangga, I'm right there with you in wanting to see a good Filipino martial arts film. Kali and arnis are both incredibly visual. Would really love to see a good capoeira film, too.

Todd BrownApril 29, 2012 6:10 PM

And, speaking of agendas BlackDragonBudo, why don't you tell people who you really are and what your connection to Marrese is? Your YouTube account is enlightening.

RSomchaiApril 30, 2012 1:36 AM

well i guess all the cats are out of the bag now lmao!!!

BlackDragonBudoMay 1, 2012 1:36 AM

Marrese Crump is a martial artist. The martial arts isn't just about martial arts movies. He has thousands of followers around the world because of his skill, not because he does movies that come and go. But when they do get made (hint:this year), you'll eat your words.

Oh and my name is Jamal Thomas. I was a student of Marrese's back when he had an open academy so I help him spread the word about stuff. That's no big secret, but thanks for googling me. At least I don't hide under the guise of reporting objective information for the readers to draw their own conclusion. You're like the Fox News of the martial arts movie world. At least have a disclaimer like "All articles on this site are subjective, based on the views, opinions and preconceived notions of Todd Brown, as well as questionable leaked information from supposed sources that may have agendas of their own." You want to have an opinion, no matter how sh*tty it is? Fine. Just don't be surprised when you get called out for trying to pass it off as objective.

Todd BrownMay 1, 2012 9:43 AM

I run a website about movies. Don't cry if I don't name drop people who haven't made any.

lrosen621May 1, 2012 9:54 PM

Todd, you asked the following question;

"The truly shocking thing here, though is this: What kind of star steps away from a production already badly over schedule for any reason short of a death? "

The answer is, one who is rehabbing a knee injury. This is in the public record, and I'm shocked that you either didn't know this, or omitted it.
He injured his knee film a scene involving a motorcycle, and was unable to do action scenes for a couple of months. They continued filming the parts of the movie that they could, working around him. He is only back recently. If you want I link, I'll find it for you, but you should be able to yourself.

I think its weak reporting that you went with this story before you got all of the facts.

Todd BrownMay 2, 2012 10:14 AM

I haven't seen that reported anywhere and, yes, I would appreciate a link. Thanks!

Kurt HalfyardMay 2, 2012 12:47 PM

Somebody (ahem, BDB) needs to go back to 'Internet-School.' in how blogs and websites, and online media work. Opinion and commentary are the currency, not the enemy.

lrosen621May 2, 2012 9:24 PM

Ok, here you go. There is a link also to a Thai language news source on this blog also. My Thai is still in beginner stage, so I'm not ready to translate yet.


Todd BrownMay 3, 2012 9:47 AM

Thanks! Though, according to that article, they didn't stop shooting because of this.

lrosen621May 3, 2012 5:02 PM

Right. That's what I said in my first comment, that they continued working around his injury and kept shooting. Anyway, anything that's this good is going to be worth waiting for, and it will make a lot of money for them, so if there are cost overruns due to injuries, they can absorb it. As long as Jeeja doesn't get hurt, God forbid. I love that girl.

Todd BrownMay 25, 2012 9:12 AM

Good news / bad news on this from Cannes ...

The good news is that Sahamongkol had footage at their booth that they were very strictly showing to buyers only. Which means that I didn't see it but I know several people who did and they said it looks very good with some very large scale set pieces. A big one that was mentioned was apparently some sort of moped chase sequence. Kind of like the tuk-tuk scene in Ong Bak, but bigger. So the visuals that were being shown sound pretty cool.

The bad news is that those same buyers asked to see the script so that they could evaluate the story and were all told no. Because there isn't one. This is largely being made up as they go.

QinlongMay 25, 2012 11:04 AM

"This is largely being made up as they go."

You mean we won't be getting the intricate plotting, psychological shades of grey and sociological conscience of the first one ?

teemeah.wikipostaJune 19, 2012 5:02 AM

An action movie can also take long if you need to repeat shots because of coreo mistakes or other reasons. Jackie Chan used to be famous for having entire fight scenes shoot a thousand times (literally, I think he hold a record of shooting one sequence 2900 times!)

Well, sure they are over schedule, but that doesn't mean the movie is going to sink. And is there a rule of thumb that every Asian action movie has to be done in 2 months or what? And why is the wedding a setback? Unless they go on a veeeery long honeymoon (which i doubt), a one day ceremony is not such a setback to a production. Also, if he is just recovering from a knee injury, he has time to have that wedding, too.

I wouldn't worry too much. So what if the movie doesn't come out this year? it's gonna come out sometime. Sure, it's not gonna be an Oscar-nomination but it's not the acting we want from Jaa. some badass wiresless fighting, that's what we AAAALLLL want :DD